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Gareth Green
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   Posted Today 7:06 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm sure I've done this before, but I can't for the life of me remember how; Is it possible to generate a suspended cymbal (soft stick) roll (tremolo) for playback, using only the softsynth as supplied in Fin2005?
 
I can't find any reference to it in the MIDI lists contained in the manual, and a forum search doesn't return anything. I think I must be missing something obvious here.
 
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   Posted 11/25/2005 6:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nobody?


 
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   Posted 11/25/2005 10:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gareth,

Suspended cymbal rolls with mallets are not possible with the softsynth to the best of my knowledge. You can get a roll with sticks, but it doesn't sound very good to me.

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   Posted 11/26/2005 11:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, Jim.

How disappointing. Loathe as I am to spend money on upgrading for the sake of one sound, can anyone confirm whether or not F2006/GPO includes Sus.Cym. Roll?

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   Posted 11/26/2005 12:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would have to go back and review my experience with Finale 2005, but I believe you can generate as Sus. Cym. roll - though I remember finding the quality of the sound-event inferior.

2005 has some cymbal sounds available via the Rowloff sound set that is Channel 10, program 2.
You have to use the roll features on the stem (single, double, or triple slashes through the stem) and make sure that you experiment with the HP style that enables that notation to emulate a tremelo/roll.

Of course, the inferior quality I experienced MAY NOT have been Finale generated, though I suspect it was only because Percussion is one of the "Final Frontiers" for Finale.

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   Posted 11/26/2005 12:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have experimented with various cymbal sounds in 2005, but they all suffer the same problem, ie the tremolo sounds as a series of rapid iterations of a struck cymbal, whereas the soft-stick (or timp stick) roll sound that I require is a more-or-less continuous sound, with no discernable impact sound.

I am surprised that this sound is not more readily available, being a very common percussion effect in wind/brass band scoring in my experience ...

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   Posted 11/26/2005 1:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gareth Green said...
I have experimented with various cymbal sounds in 2005, but they all suffer the same problem, ie the tremolo sounds as a series of rapid iterations of a struck cymbal, whereas the soft-stick (or timp stick) roll sound that I require is a more-or-less continuous sound, with no discernable impact sound.

I am surprised that this sound is not more readily available, being a very common percussion effect in wind/brass band scoring in my experience ...

G.


possibly because a soft-mallet roll in soft dynamic is quite a different animal from that in a loud dynamic?
I suspect it would require maneuvering through multiple samples to get, for example, a ppp roll all the way through to a fff one.
The actual sound quality of the extreme dynamics is more than just a difference between soft and loud.
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   Posted 11/26/2005 1:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
qccowboy said...
 
possibly because a soft-mallet roll in soft dynamic is quite a different animal from that in a loud dynamic?
I suspect it would require maneuvering through multiple samples to get, for example, a ppp roll all the way through to a fff one.
The actual sound quality of the extreme dynamics is more than just a difference between soft and loud.
Probably very true.
 
However, for the purposes of a simple demo I would be quite happy with a "medium" dynamic sample which would go from soft-ish to loud-ish without sounding like a rattle.


 
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