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Davidmorehead
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 11:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would like to know how many people have upgraded to the full version of TGtools. Is it worth $99 bucks? How much do you use it?

David Morehead
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 11:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David -

I use Tobias' spacing plugins regularly, and can't imagine handling vertical justification of a large score without STAFF LIST MANAGER.

Unconditional endorsement.

RVS Lee

(Also he seems to be a genuinely nice guy.)
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 12:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I only use three or four of his tools on anything like a regular basis, but they've become indispensible to me. As far as I'm concerned, they're worth every penny.

Dan Powers
 

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I've never really been tempted to buy them - I didn't find Finale's bundled subset particularly consistent or helpful, and have worked out my own ways of doing some of things TG tried to help with.

That's not to say TG Tools is no good - just that I have no use for it, and so will keep my $99.

Brian

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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 12:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The full version of TGTools has additional functionality as compared to the versions supplied with Finale. For instance, the "Align Dynamics" plug-in has hotkeys that allow you to align, align and lower, align and raise by pressing the appropriate keys.

It depends on exactly what you need in working on your files. If you have carefully and correctly built your scores, it's likely you might have little use for TGTools many filtering capabilities. But if you're cleaning up other's files, TG might be a real timesaver. The many "Layout" options would be of help to any user in saving time.

I recommend you try the demo and give it a real thorough test drive. Try all the menu items - there are dozens, if not hundreds of different permutations.

Les
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 12:59 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I use it everyday and consider it the best "Finale upgrade" ever. Most of my work is for publishing and consider it indispensable, worth every penny.

But in the final analysis, it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about it, just your opinion matters. The demo is fully functional. Use it and make up your own mind. If the demo period expires, you can write Tobias for an extension and he'll send it without question.

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Dick Brodfuehrer
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 2:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
danpowers said...
I only use three or four of his tools on anything like a regular basis, but they've become indispensible to me. As far as I'm concerned, they're worth every penny.

Same here.

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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
danpowers said...
I only use three or four of his tools on anything like a regular basis, but they've become indispensible to me. As far as I'm concerned, they're worth every penny.
I agree.

Windows XP, Finale 2009a, Pentium 4, 3GHz, 2GB Ram
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Fritz Meissner
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 4:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As a matter of interest, is it the same three or four tools that everyone uses, and if so, what are they ?

Fritz

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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 4:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I use "Fit Measures," "Scale Staff Positions," and "Align/Move Dynamics" fairly often. Also "Insert space in measure" a bit less often. Oh, yes, and "Keyboard Remapping" has been very useful at times.

I've probably used most of them at least once.

Dan Powers
 

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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 4:56 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As I said above, I can't live w/out STAFF LIST MANAGER, but I regularly use most of the measure spacing utilities (add/subtract space, measure widths, etc...)

RVS Lee
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 5:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Align/move dynamics/hairpins"; couldn't live without it.

 
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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 5:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In addition to some of those mentioned above ---

Music - Fill
Modify - Transfer
Options - Keyboard Remapping

Some of these may be part of the set provided with Finale, but I'm not certain. I dumped the freebee stuff I don't use when I installed the program.

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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 7:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Align/Move hairpins
Staff list manager
Scale Staff Positions
Make Cues

Windows XP, Finale 2009a, Pentium 4, 3GHz, 2GB Ram
Brass music, Woodwind Music, Concert Band Music, CDs, etc.

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  		   Posted 6/2/2009 11:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Combine rests in layers" is handy.

(Finale 2005b on Windows XP)

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  		   Posted 6/3/2009 1:21 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The staff list manager is worth the $99 on its own. But the align/move stuff, and the special modifications are also useful.

Mark Wibrow
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  		   Posted 6/3/2009 1:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For anyone doing big band or orchestrating, smart explosion of multi-part staves is a must.
Move align
Hamonics
Trems
Harp pedals
Transfer layout
Process extracted parts

These are just my fav's I use many more. I would go as far as saying without TG tools and quikeys finale is pretty useless.

Tim
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  		   Posted 6/3/2009 3:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
"Combine rests in layers" is handy.

Yes, I forgot that one; I use it a lot when creating percussion parts in particular.

 
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  		   Posted 6/3/2009 5:17 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can't function without my TG Tools.

Dan

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  		   Posted 6/3/2009 11:20 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have used the full version of TGTools for a few years and for me, it was/is worth the money. Before buying any kind of a program you must analyze your needs in order to make a determination as to whether or not it could be of value.
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  		   Posted 6/3/2009 12:56 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree that TGTools is an absolute requirement, but it amazes me that a lot of the stuff isn't built into Finale. Modify|Transfer really should be built into Finale. It is a major feature lacking from the program. Makemusic needs to pony up and buy out Tobias and put in the core TGTools features.

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But there is a danger the quality may drop, isn't there? An independent provider has control over fixing bugs and issuing fix releases in a way we might never see otherwise.

Zuill

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  		   Posted 6/3/2009 4:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I love being able to copy the layout of one part and apply it to another part. That will come in very handy. I am sure, after looking around a bit more, I will find other time saving features that are useful to the kind of work I do. I think it is great that Tobias will extend your trial period if you need more time. That is very nice of him.
 
Now, back to figuring out how expressions work in 2009.  

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  		   Posted 6/4/2009 4:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I use most of the above, plus the beam breaker. Alt GUB.

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  		   Posted 6/5/2009 2:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I see the different versions at the site. Are the limitations just in the size of scores as implied, or are there other things missing. IOW, are all the tools there to use, just size limitations on say the Lite version.

I ask because at $50 for the lite version, it makes sense for me to buy it as I'm a home user mostly just fiddling around with Finale. At $99 (or $69) is takes more thinking.

thanks

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