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edodetroit
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Posted 10/26/2009 2:40 PM (GMT -5)

Yes and Yes, Mike. (unfortunately I have to be off line for a bit, but thanks for checking this out for me.

Sorry, got my 'f' apps confused. I meant Finale 2009 (which I actually never bought, but upgraded from 2008. Thanks again, I'll check here when I get back!

edodetroit
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Posted 10/27/2009 7:35 PM (GMT -5)

I'm still hoping that someone (and thank you, Mike Rosen) might know the reason my chord symbols can't be dragged to different beats of the measure, the way MakeMusic says. If you know where this is mentionned in ANY documentation that would be great, or if perhaps you just know what I am doing wrong, I'd really appreciate your advise.

I've never attached anything to a post, but I'm going to try. The first is Hatikvoh (The national anthem of Israel) made entirely in 2010. The other is a piano arrangement, originally created in Finale 2009, and converted.

Hope this works...

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Haktivoh (Our Hope), Israeli National Anthem LS&W (ew.).mus 46KB (application/octet-stream)

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All I Care About:Razzle Dazzle (FBX07 Chicago MDL) LS&W (ew.).mus 55KB (application/octet-stream)

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Mike Rosen
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Posted 10/27/2009 8:02 PM (GMT -5)

Edodetroit,
I couldn't open either of the files. Rename them Hatikvah, and Razzle, and repost. Sometimes long file names cause a problem.

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edodetroit
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Posted 10/27/2009 8:13 PM (GMT -5)

Ok Mike, here they are again, thanks.

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Mike Rosen
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Posted 10/27/2009 8:29 PM (GMT -5)

You're not going to like hearing this, but they work fine for me. I clicked on the Chord tool, and a selection box appeared at each chord symbol. I clicked (and held the mouse button down) in the box, and dragged the chord to wherever I wanted it.

By the way, are those new lyrics in the second part of the Hatikvah? It's not the way I learned it.

edodetroit
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Posted 10/27/2009 8:51 PM (GMT -5)

Hey Mike,

Actually, I'm glad to hear it. At least I know it's me or my machine, and not Finale. I'm on a Laptop: MacBook Pro (earlier one), with Snow Leopard. I did what you described.
(Just to make absolutely positive we're on the same page:
I click and hold down in the little box.
I can drag the chord anywhere, but that little blue line continues to hang on to the original beat - and when I play the song back, the chord is played in it's original spot.

Do you do anything tricky when you release the mouse? Are you pressing any modifier?

As for Haktikva or -voh. I will confess that I am not Jewish, but some good friends of man are - they are in a "jewish rock band" called Safam (moustache). They've been playing for 35 years. They came to do a gig here in Detroit, last weekend, and they asked me to play both the Israeli and American National anthems. The lyrics on the lead sheet I had, were very difficult to read, and when I was transferring them to Finale, I really I had no idea what I was doing. Feel free to amend, correct, whatever you'd like to these lyrics!

I went to your site in the meantime, and found some helpful stuff. Thanks. Are you an official part of MakeMusic, or just a generous & interested guy, wordworker and I'm guessing, a cappella singer (with the chordsmen)?

Thanks again for your help, Mike

Mike Rosen
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Posted 10/28/2009 12:27 PM (GMT -5)

Edodetroit,

It sounds to me like you are doing it correctly. At this point, I think a call to tech support is indicated.

I found those lyrics to Hatikvah. It's an older form, that has been superseded by the current version. Also, your lyrics are in the older Askenazi pronunciation, where the new ones are in Modern Israeli. If you are interested, here's a page with some more info, as well as a link to an MP3 of Al Jolson singing it (in about 1948)!

daledamos.blogspot.com/2006/02/hatikvah-rav-kook-and-al-jolson.html

edodetroit
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Posted 10/29/2009 11:28 AM (GMT -5)

Thanks again Mike,
I did indeed call Tech support about the chord-dragging. The fellow couldn't produce the problem either, had no idea of the cause, but "will get back to me."

Love the Hatikvah info, and will get back to you as I learn more. I enjoy learning history, especially thru the lens of music. I do know that Al Jolson got his name on a lot of music, like many of that era, just for agreeing to perform it. Looking forward to researching. Thanks.

edodetroit
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Posted 11/1/2009 4:49 PM (GMT -5)

This is a note to Mike Rosen, and any others who have struggled with dragging chord symbols:

Doug R at Finale support, suggested that perhaps I sticky option key was a problem. It wasn't, but in the course of checking it out, I realized that the chords were dragging (and relocating) when I held the option key down. This was a surprise, but it works fine for me. (I hope I didn't miss documentation that told me this was how it's done.

Thanks again, Mike for your help.

Mike Rosen
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Posted 11/1/2009 5:13 PM (GMT -5)

Thanks for the update. We'll try to remember, if the problem reoccurs.

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