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 |  Ron. Registered Member

       Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 3863 | Posted 11/3/2009 4:20 PM (GMT -5) |   |
octoechos said...
David Young : chambermusic said...
There are a few of us, believe it or not, who actually compose quite well. I don't play any instruments an yet write quite reasonably good music. The point is not that one can PLAY an instrument to be a better/good composer. Otherwise Ravel should play almost all instruments since his music is well orchestrated. It is not true. But he played piano very well. The point is that a composer who plays an instrument has another approach of living music / performance / practice / together playing rather than a "paper composer" who can't feel live music when writing music. It is a very big matter of psychology and physiology rather than music.
Like David, I played violin (and Flamenco guitar) for a few years in my adolescence and have't played an instrument since. But, I am a very good observer. During performances my eyes rarely leave the instruments and their players which gives me an good idea of what works for the instrument and what doesn't, as well as the sound of difference registers. Get me at a rehearsal where I can both read the score and watch the musician and I'm like a kid in a playground, soaking up everything I can.
I haven't had any complaints about my music being unplayable or unsuitable for the instrument, but I have heard that it can be difficult for the average player. That's fine with me, as I am not the average composer. Ron, composerwww.RonaldJBrown.comFinale 2010 with Garritan Personal Orchestra 4.0, Jazz & Big Band, and Concert & Marching Band
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 |  Ken-P Registered Member
        Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 9 | Posted 11/8/2009 8:55 PM (GMT -5) |   | >>@ KenP: scrolling while the Measure Tool is selected slows things down; the same goes for the Staff Tool and if you have Staff Styles and they're set to display, scrolling is MUCH slower. >>Otherwise, scrolling is very fast, even compared to earlier versions of Finale.
Thanks Vaughan! But the speed won't change. I compared every options and tools suggested in 2010 and 2008, and 2010 is twice or three times slower than 2008.  | | Back to Top | |
 |  Peter Worden Registered Member
        Date Joined Aug 2000 Total Posts : 10 | Posted 11/9/2009 6:40 PM (GMT -5) |   | Over the past years I have seen the fine Finale developers fix many bugs, although there are still a few that just haven't seemed to disappear. However, I have seen a lor of apparent effort made to make major improvements in Finale's ability to present music audibly (with the Garritan sounds and much enhanced midi capabilities) and to move further into the music education marketplace. [Please note that this is simply a personal opinion coming from a "simple" user... ] This time 'round I would like to see Finale concentrate more on notation, and perhaps expanding its plugins and librairies, so that we can add capabilities and make a few things easier to accomplish.
As one who works mostly with early music transcriptions (mostly vocal/choral), here are a few features I would like to see:
1. A plugin currently exists to determine the range. This reports the range, however, as note numbers (I believe there was a previous lengthy discussion on expressing note positions). These numbers do not, however, as a "simple" musician, tell me what the range is by note name (e.g., "Highest note: 72 ... Lowest note: 59 ...")! I would like to see the response box tell me the range by note name/position. [As I deal most with concert pitch, I have no real idea how this works with transposed orchestral parts.] Perhaps some options with this tool could be embedded so a user could indicate what note position standard was desired?
2. Speaking of range, I would like to see a plugin or tool that would determine the range and place this graphically into the score (e.g., 2 small notes aligned vertically with an adjoining line). This is currently technically difficult. [See: http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=45309&g=45360#m45360 ] The user should be able to determinwe where, and how, the range of a part should be shown (e.g., in an incipit, between the key and time signatures, etc.).
3. Incipits (I know, a dirty word...). [See: http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=79912&g=82125#m82125 and related threads...] I would like Finale to add a tool or plugin so that I may easily add an incipit to my editions. This includes possibly adding an appropriate font library to make this possible in a majority of cases (I suggest perhaps licensing and adding the Toccata font in an updated open Font format). A user should be able to determine what symbols and notes could be placed in an incipit--this includes the possibility of placing a range indication (see above) here.
Many of my local early music compatriots have switched to the 's-word' program, and are apparently more easily able to accomplish these tasks (I do not have that program and so cannot evaluate).
I could be mistaken in simply not knowing how to easily accomplish these tasks--if anyone has suggestions, I am happy to learn something new. 
With thanks,
Peter Worden
[Finale 2010; PC Intel P-4 3 GB RAM]
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  |  Chemist Registered Member
        Date Joined Sep 2007 Total Posts : 1 | Posted 1/2/2010 12:19 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Davidmorehead said...
I am using 2010 and enjoying all the new features that have been added since 2006. Some of them are huge time savers for me.
These are some things I would still like to see added to Finale.
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Have an option for swing 16ths. Currently, I am writing in 8/8 and showing a 4/4 time signature. It works, but why not make such a common thing easier?
Backwards compatibility-this is the main reason I am hesitant to use newer versions.
Ability to save and name filter settings when using the selection tool/mass edit
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One more...When using the selection tool, Finale should show how many measures you have selected.
I want to:
1) Thank you for pointing out how to swing 16th notes, and
2) second your suggestions for Finale 2011
I'm new to the forum, but have been using Finale for 10+ years. I'm still learning new stuff every piece I do.
Thanks.
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 |  RV Registered Member

       Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 56 | Posted 1/2/2010 11:30 AM (GMT -5) |   | warrenbarnett said... ...Please, please, please make it possible to name staff sets, such as Woodwinds, Brass, Strings, Percussion, etc. Seems like a simple thing, instead of always trying to remember what group of staves was in Staff Set 3.
Short and sweet
you can; ?? in the STAFF TOOL Menue-> Staff "Add Group and Bracket" / "Edit Group Attributes…" -window
the two top buttons are the full name, the two lower buttons are the abbreviated name. RV iMac 2008 (2GHz Intel) 1,5Gb RAM Finale 2008b r1 (2005, 2003...) Logic Pro Digidesign mBox2 (7.3) - it's buggy - I know! OS 10.5.8
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 |  Jari Williamsson Registered Member
        Date Joined Dec 1998 Total Posts : 1330 | Posted 1/2/2010 11:46 AM (GMT -5) |   | RV said...warrenbarnett said... ...Please, please, please make it possible to name staff sets, such as Woodwinds, Brass, Strings, Percussion, etc. Seems like a simple thing, instead of always trying to remember what group of staves was in Staff Set 3.
Short and sweet you can; ?? in the STAFF TOOL Menue-> Staff "Add Group and Bracket" / "Edit Group Attributes…" -window the two top buttons are the full name, the two lower buttons are the abbreviated name.
That's groups, not Staff Sets. Jari Williamsson
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 |  BariBari Music Registered Member
        Date Joined Dec 2009 Total Posts : 3 | Posted 1/2/2010 8:57 PM (GMT -5) |   |
I have used Finale shortly after it became available..shows my age..and I have found there are two types of Finale users; those using simple entry and those using key-character entry. You can probably guess which I am. Regardless, I would love the following:
-  Have a yearly "composting" contest (music composition entry contest--who can get it on paper first with the fewest errors) using the two primary entry styles. The grand "compucopyist" winner would receive 24/7/365 support for the "issues" that each new version seems to have "sprinkled" throughout without fail. Would certainly be a good advertiising gimmick.
-In speedy entry, when you select a dot for say a dotted quarter that the dot dissappears after you are finished with the dotted quarter. Currently, as most of you are aware, if you choose to dot a note, you are stuck with the dot until you turn it off. I wish that after I am through with the dotted quarter, all parts of the note go away, including the dot. The quarter goes away so why doesn't the dot that gives it the dotted quarter identity go away? I would think that once one dots a note, the dot and the note (the dotted quarter note) would be considered "married", locked together until you turn off the dotted quarter note by selecting another note such as the eighth rest, or whole note. At that time, if you click an eighth note you should get an eighth note. Currently, if you have a dotted quarter, then click an eighth, you have a dotted eighth when you wanted just an eighth.
-  In scroll view, I shouldn't have to reposition the page with the hand tool each time the screen redraws to see the staff names in the left margin. There may be a way (ways) to do this but I have yet to discover it. Scroll view is when this nuissance occurs.
-  Have more user friend "everythings". Meaning, I agree with a former reply about percussion maps whereas if you specify that you want these percussion instruments in this staff, that the program will automatically set up playback, with the proper instrument and the sound requested as well. Then we can spend decades trying to figure out how to tweek the basic sound rather than trying to figure out how to "produce" the basic sound. My thinking is, if I can produce a flute, clarinet, tuba, etc., with little effort besides typing a few common sense keystrokes, then I should be able to do so with any percussion instrument. If I want a drum set, put that sucker in the percussion staff and if nothing else, have a staff wizard that simply gives me two or three choices of which drum set set up I prefer. We simply want to be able to ask for core percussion stuff, including orchestral, concert band, rock band, jazz, etc., then hear what we wanted. Another possible solution would be for us to specify in the "setup wizard" which percussion instruments we want to use (such as maracas, claves, cowbell, suspended cymbal, snare, bass drum, and gong, as well as more instruments, fewer instruments) , on "x#" staves, then have Finale do it. The help files apparently have the genuine "sure bet" processes in print so why not make it possible in set up to have the basic functions of percussion setup automated totally, as the processes for setting up all of the instruments has always been automated. One other reader mentioned that they had no problem with percussion mapping, and I wish I could agree, but my experiences have been that you do what the help file says to do, then you get almost all you asked for but not everything, even though the directions were followed. And at times, if it does work, you can save it, then return later and it goes back to a default that you changed but it didn't change, or it changed back even though you specified you wanted your changes to be default.
-  My final finale change that I would love to see would be to change the way lead sheets are made. I can't seem to enter guitar chords, then hear them realized unless I type the notes of the chord into the score in a given layer, then hide the notes when printed because the melody is what is entered, not the chords. At this point, the sound is there but it's a lot of trouble just to see and hear a C chord. Another change I would appreciate would be that if you want to enter a single guitar diagram above or beside a given chord, that you don't have to have chord diagrams above or beside every single chord in the song. Sometimes I feel the need to show a chord diagram on an unusual chord for guitarist, but not for common chords. All those chord diagrams take up a lot of space and they make your printed copy very amateur-looking. In other words, the score looks like it was written with the beginning guitarist in mind only. My suggestion, make chord diagrams either "married" (all chord diagrams appear) or "single" (for a chosen chord), and that we can decide which we prefer. I am one to write out chord charts and lead sheets if necessary, but I would prefer to be able to make a lead sheet quickly using the chord tool rather than the text tool without having to enter and view every chord. I have found the chord tool and it's menus to be very user-friendly to the experienced guitarist but it shouldn't have to be used excpet when needed and we should not be forced to have a chord diagram above every chord when we wanted just one. I have written hundreds of charts and I have never used a single diagram in print because I don't want all those diagrams on my lead sheets. Even if the designers leave the chord input method the same, at least attach a toggle to each chord giving us a choice about whether any or all chord diagrams are printed. Maybe Finale designers could examine a copy of "The Real Book", the standard for many jazz entertainers and educators, and try to design your lead sheet procedures around making the final copy look like those charts. Maybe you have already done this, but I can't reproduce what may or may not be possible.
In the opinion of a longtime user of Finale, Finale has suffered recently  from the need to make "improvements", and some that were not needed. If it truly is an improvement rather than a sales point, then I am all for the change, but to change something that already works in favor of a new "angle" that can be added to your "Improvements" list on your new versions, is not user-friendly. Additionally, it is the customer that switches to other programs that do the same task as easily, and has equal quirks I'm sure. I believe that Finale has improved in many ways, i.e., page setup, expression/articulation entry and results, and I appreciate the efforts by those who have helped make it a better product, but there are times that I ask, why did they change that? The original path worked very well and now we have to learn a new path that may prove to be not as good as the original that didn't need fixing. Work towards the age old issues that almost all users experience rather than inventing new issues for steps that didn't have issues previously. They could call the new version: "Finale Gold", the seemless, flawless notation standard. There are no "issues" with Gold unless they are "issues" caused by you, the customer..our most valuable asset.
I normally don't have this much time on my hands but I am taking a break from the sometimes easy, sometimes not easy help files in the manual and the forums searching for answers to "issues" I have with midi, playback, and percussion. I didn't have trouble opening those files or reading those humongous books in the beginning but now I have to read help files explaining how to use the help files...*&$^.
I have now wasted a good two days trying to reproduce something I figured out a few days ago, then saved the solution carefully, then when I returned to work on the document all of the changes I saved were nowhere to be found. Should I get back to "discovery" of a program I have used forever or should I just watch football....
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  |  BariBari Music Registered Member
        Date Joined Dec 2009 Total Posts : 3 | Posted 1/2/2010 10:10 PM (GMT -5) |   | | Actually, I have only used speedy entry and don't use a keypad. The other "method" of entry is so foreign to me I don't even know what they call it. My best friend enters notes using the keypad and I enter using a mouse. Some believe my method is archaic but it's quite reliable for one that doesn't play a keyboard very well. I just have trouble remember which keys produce what they produce. Plus I like to hear the notes played quickly and that's the only way I can hear them, adjust them as I enter. I was basically trying to be "funny" regarding entry. I am rarely if ever very serious but frustration has been part of my personality when it comes to windows. I prefer MAC but I use the other for work and we use lab packs with students because my school won't allow macs probably due to expense. | | Back to Top | |
  |  smautf Registered Member
        Date Joined Aug 2009 Total Posts : 2 | Posted 1/3/2010 6:53 AM (GMT -5) |   | I'd like to see:
1. the ability to password protect scores (like in MS Word, Excel etc.)
2. the ability to create watermarks
3. an easier "ossia" stave tool (despite the posting above on this issue, I find this one really tricky)
I'm still using Finale 2002, so apologies to all of you if these are now available and/or fixed.
Thanks,
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   |  Flint silly bear

       Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 1014 | Posted 3/19/2010 6:06 PM (GMT -5) |   |
Fred G. Unn said...
smautf said... I'd like to see:
1. the ability to password protect scores (like in MS Word, Excel etc.)
2. the ability to create watermarks
I'd actually like to see #1 as well although I don't think it is likely because MM wants to avoid all the tech support cases for people who password protected their files, and now can't remember the password. #2 would be nice but it is currently pretty simple to do in Acrobat. Most of the time I create Acrobat files anyway, either for the client or for ease of printing so it's not such a big deal for me. Fred Well, #1 is just a complete disaster in the making. #2 would be nice but not necessary—currently I add watermarks in Adobe, since it literally takes just a few seconds to do.
While we're wishing and dredging up ancient threads (  ), I'd like to see the Expressions copy function (CTRL+arrow keys, etc.) expanded to include Smart Shapes.
One big thing I would appreciate is being able to define separate text characteristics for Score and Parts, applicable on everything from Expressions, Text Inserts, and I suppose Lyrics (to be inclusive...). So, for instance, you should be able to define a tempo change Expression (Allegro) as Times New Roman bold size 36 for the score, and Times New Roman bold size 14 for the parts - without creating two separate expressions.
Though I'm happy that you can align hairpins with each other now, I do still wish you could get them to snap to a designated vertical location (like Lyrics... you can set a baseline for where they are drawn) or horizontal location (say, 0.125in to the right of a dynamic mark and 0.125in to the left of the concluding dynamic mark) - perhaps a "Fit Crescendo/Decrescendo/Hairpin Between Dynamic Marks" function (user-editable distances, of course...)?
Or, EVEN COOLER - be able to select the handles of two Expressions on a score, right-click and select "Create Crescendo/Create Decrescendo Between Expressions" from the Context menu. Or, even "Create Dotted Line Between Expressions" for all those who love using "poco a poco.........................." (you would create the poco a poco cresc. expression, and create the line between that and the ending dynamic mark).
I guess I'm eagerly awaiting 2011. woodwind specialist and doubler - Finale 2009b using Speedy Entry - no capslock, GPO 2nd ed. Full version, Garritan Jazz & Big Band, Garritan Concert and Marching Band, Windows Vista 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM, Soundblaster Audigy II zsIf the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read | | Back to Top | |
  |  Gareth Green Player of fine trumpets

       Date Joined Oct 2001 Total Posts : 1532 | Posted 3/20/2010 8:22 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Flint said...
Though I'm happy that you can align hairpins with each other now, I do still wish you could get them to snap to a designated vertical location (like Lyrics... you can set a baseline for where they are drawn) or horizontal location (say, 0.125in to the right of a dynamic mark and 0.125in to the left of the concluding dynamic mark) - perhaps a "Fit Crescendo/Decrescendo/Hairpin Between Dynamic Marks" function (user-editable distances, of course...)?
Or, EVEN COOLER - be able to select the handles of two Expressions on a score, right-click and select "Create Crescendo/Create Decrescendo Between Expressions" from the Context menu. The full TGTools has this.
Gareth J. Green
Fin2010b
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 |  Dorsetmike Registered Member

       Date Joined Mar 2010 Total Posts : 6 | Posted 3/20/2010 11:08 AM (GMT -5) |   | Some better support for organs, Virtual or actual; particularly for multiple manuals plus pedals and registration changes like for example operating stops, couplers and pistons and swell.
If you select say Church organ as your instrument you get 3 staves and one midi channel by default, an organ can have 2 or more manuals and pedals which is to all intents and purposes like having 3 or more separate instruments. It's not impossible to work round it now, but not easy (nor pretty!) I use GrandOrgue a Virtual pipe organ that can be made to work quite well (and it's free), but the same things would apply to a midi-ised console.
My work around for this is to define each staff as a separate instrument and allocate a separate channel for each. For controlling stops etc I currently change the organ definition files so that controls operate from note on/off commands insted of Cx or Bx and set the stop control data values to equate to note numbers then use 2 more staves on a separate channel for these "control notes". If anybody has suggestions for simplifying this I'd love to know how, one of the problems is that the control ideally needs to be a continuous "on" until a stop change is required and you may have 30 or so stops and couplers on a typical medium small church or theatre organ or up to 60 or more on a large instrument.
My suggested change to the Instrument selection would be Organ pedal, Organ manual 1, Organ manual 2, Organ manual 3 (& 4?) (names for different manuals vary hence use of numbers,; ALTERNATIVELY as a minimum requirement the ability to allocate each organ stave to a separate midi channel would go some way to easing the problem also the ability to add staves for organs with more than 2 manuals. Only the pedal staff needs to be bass clef, the others need to be selectable (only a problem in Notepad)
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 |  Fred G. Unn Registered Member

       Date Joined Jun 2002 Total Posts : 734 | Posted 3/20/2010 12:02 PM (GMT -5) |   | The full TGTools has this.
Wow, I had never noticed this before. Very cool - thanks for pointing it out. Fred | | Back to Top | |
     |  Deraj828 Registered Member
        Date Joined May 2008 Total Posts : 10 | Posted 3/27/2010 1:42 AM (GMT -5) |   | I'm still waiting for automatic rest entry/removal. If I enter a note, the rest adapts. If I enter a note early in the measure, and another at the end of the measure, a rest appears in between. If I enter a note on a rest, the rest disappears.
Pleeease..... every cheap and useless program I've tried has this feature. Why on Earth don't the expensive ones? It makes clicking music in with a mouse SO much faster! | | Back to Top | |
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