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Mary Thurtle
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   Posted 11/5/2009 12:11 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For some reason, my playback has decided to start at measure 30, and I can't seem to get it to change.  I scrolled the counter back to measure 1, and the screen looked like it was playing back at measure 1, but I still heard the music from measure 30.  I tried turning off the program and re-starting, but to no avail!  Any ideas?
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   Posted 11/5/2009 12:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It might be Finale's new "Music Critic" function deciding that it doesn't like the first 29 measures of your music?

Or, you might check the playback options and see if Finale isn't set to start specifically at that place? I generally have my Finale set to, by default, "always start at leftmost measure".

Other possibilities might be some glitch in formatting of the pages might be throwing off the playback start zone? Have you reformatted the pages recently?

Which playback method are you using?

Come to think of it, which program are you using?


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   Posted 11/5/2009 12:33 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Imagine the possibilities if they took their lead from the forum's built in critic - it could not only refuse to play any music it didn't like, but substitute something it considers innocuous. Do you think that I could collect royalties from MM if they get rich from the Finale 2013 Music Censor feature ?

Fritz

And in response to anyone who considers themselves a humour critic: no, I'm not giving up my day job. :-)


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   Posted 11/5/2009 1:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Thanks for the humor and the suggestions... I'll check them out.  I am using my old Finale 2005 version.  All I do is basic stuff for my church choirs.... do you think it is worth upgrading to 2010?  Money is tight!

 

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   Posted 11/5/2009 3:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mary Thurtle said...
Thanks for the humor and the suggestions... I'll check them out. I am using my old Finale 2005 version. All I do is basic stuff for my church choirs.... do you think it is worth upgrading to 2010? Money is tight!


Not if I were you!! Save those bucks for something more worthwhile. 2005 will do the basic stuff very well. You're on a Windows machine so speed and backwards compatibility with the OS should not be the problem it is with Mac users on 2005.

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   Posted 11/5/2009 5:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mary,
If all you do is basic church choir music, you might want to look at PrintMusic2010. Although it lacks many of the features of the full Finale, it might do everything you need, as well as having all the GUI improvements. The demo is free, and fully functional for 30 days.



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   Posted 11/5/2009 5:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, Mike.... I'll try it out!
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   Posted 11/6/2009 1:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Finale upgrade is around $150. Is PrintMusic cheaper? It would definitely be a step down in features.

As you can see from my signature, I'm still using 2005, though I could afford to upgrade. There have been some improvements, mainly in the area of playback, but they aren't compelling enough to me to justify the hassle of upgrading. Others may disagree.


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   Posted 11/6/2009 3:38 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
and others WILL disagree.

I think the improvements to work-flow in versions of Finale subsequent to 2005 are so massive that they outweigh any minor annoyances caused by the upgrade process.

For example, with Finale 2010 the ability to click on any item to adjust its placement without having to access that item's particular menu, is a god-send.
And the ability to double-click any graphic item on the page and call up that particular menu is another one.
hitting the ESC key puts you right back in the general selection tool.

It makes for considerably less mouse movement.

Context menus from mouse right-click are yet another time-saving feature. Transpose, change layers, alter various features.. all available simply by selecting a measure and right clicking.

I'd have to say that the majority of these changes are not in any way "playback related".


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   Posted 11/6/2009 6:05 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm sure Michel is right about new features since 2005, a lot has been changed since then, as I'm still finding out, but we all use Finale in our own ways for a very wide range of different tasks, so what applies to one person is not always important to others. I've upgraded every two years since 1997 (v3.7.2 I think) and every version has had its additional features, some useful to me and others not. But the jump from 2005 to 2007, with linked parts and VST instruments, was by far the biggest for me, and I'm still finding things out. Most of the "improvements" haven't applied to me at all - like Motet, I'm not too bothered about advanced playback features as long as I can proof a piece, and I almost never need the big benefit of Linked Parts (being able to make changes in the score and parts together). Some of the changes have in fact been regressive in my view, for instance the loss of the Mass Mover tool and the consequent reorganisation of all its functions and the change from PDF manual to HTML. Also I've found 2005 to be much more stable and reliable than later versions.

So for my purposes and the way I work, 2005 is familiar, reliable and does everything I need. My next scheduled update will be 2011 but if it adds yet more unnecessary features and still fails to address well-known bugs then I doubt I'll fork out the cash for it.


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   Posted 11/6/2009 6:12 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Fritz Meissner said...
Imagine the possibilities if they took their lead from the forum's built in critic - it could not only refuse to play any music it didn't like, but substitute something it considers innocuous. Do you think that I could collect royalties from MM if they get rich from the Finale 2013 Music Censor feature ?

Fritz

And in response to anyone who considers themselves a humour critic: no, I'm not giving up my day job. :-)

lol lol lol It made me smile at least! Thank you Fritz.


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   Posted 11/6/2009 7:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would also say that the changes since 2005 are hugely worthwhile.

Yes, 2005 worked well and you can probably achieve the same results, but there are lots of new methods that save time, helping you to work quicker and get the results that you want more easily.
The Selection Tool in 2008 was a huge boost. The new expressions in 2009 are IMHO much quicker and easier to use.
I am very interested in 2010's improvements to chord suffixes - for figured bass.

However, I'll probably upgrade to 2011, to get the most from the improvements to 2010 and whatever new things come the year after. Once a year is perhaps a bit too much.

Most importantly, if you do upgrade, you MUST go through the QuickStart videos; do the tutorials; read the help documentation, etc. etc. to learn what has changed and how to get the most out of it. Otherwise, you won't get the benefit of what you've paid for.


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   Posted 11/6/2009 5:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

My main reluctance has to do with the changes to staff lists and the dumping of expressions into the "Misc" category when you open an old program. I deal with large pieces, so it would be a lot of work to go through and fix them all. This was a thoughtless change, since it wasn't necessary for the implementation of the new expression scheme.

Also, I can't tell you how many times I've read about a bug or change and thought to myself, "yet another reason not to upgrade." Maybe a dozen. I'm sure there are work-arounds, but that means days of screwing around and learning the new ways instead of getting my work done, time I can't afford to spend.

QcCowboy said...

 
with Finale 2010 the ability to click on any item to adjust its placement without having to access that item's particular menu, is a god-send.
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hitting the ESC key puts you right back in the general selection tool.

Perhaps you never realized it, but 2005 let you move expressions, articulations, and measure numbers with click-drag from the Selection Tool without switching tools--indeed a time-saver over switching  between multiple tools--so that doesn't sound like an improvement. Other things, like clefs, can be double clicked to bring up their tool. What other kinds of things do you reguarly move? The ESC key gets you back to the Selection Tool in 2005 as well.
 
I don't need the huge Garritan/Kontakt bloat--can I omit it when I install? Softsyth works just fine for checking my work, which is designed to be played by humans.
 
I'll probabaly switch when they offer something I can't resist (like playing the proper pitch on entry of transposing instruments). I agree that combining Selection and Mass Edit sounds like a good thing, as well as the improvement which makes applying expressions en masse work like the Articulation Tool does in 2005. Sounds like they've fixed the wild ballooning of Engraver Slurs, too, which is worth having. Too bad linked parts were never improved after the initial half-hearted attempt.



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