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Patrick Rice
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Posted 11/6/2009 9:33 PM (GMT -5)

This is an old topic revisited, but I've never seen a real resolution from the Finale people.
Can I legally include something like "Engraved with Finale" in my scores? I'd love to do that, but would hate to have my hand (and bank account) slapped.

Pat

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Posted 11/6/2009 9:50 PM (GMT -5)

I would ask the company directly via customer support.

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Posted 11/7/2009 5:28 AM (GMT -5)

It's a statement of fact, so I can't see what the problem would be. I can't see what they could legally charge you with. (Defamation, if the layout was terrible!

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You might want to put a ™ symbol after "Finale".

If you were to publish the .mus files on the Internet, then you would have to tell people that these were Finale documents, in order for them to use them. If you were a jobbing music engraver, you would have to tell your clients that "I do all my work in Finale".

Some books have "Designed in Adobe InDesign on an Apple Mac; typeset in Monotype Garamond" on their imprint page. I can guarantee that they won't have asked those companies for permission to do so.

As ever, when receiving legal advice from some bloke on the internet: bear in mind that IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer), and jurisdictions will have different laws.

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Posted 11/7/2009 10:54 AM (GMT -5)

Couldn't hurt to get permission first. Might help alot. They will probably say yes, but if they say no, you have saved yourself some potential trouble if you had done it without permission.
You could certainly say "engraved with Finale" without permission, but it is the use of the logo that is questionable in my mind.

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Posted 11/7/2009 11:18 AM (GMT -5)

I thought it was a courtesy to include "Prepared with App version 3.1" on anything you made with that product. I know that Gary Garritan specifically says he wants the name and version of any of his libraries used in the preparation of a work to appear on the hardcopy or CD. No one would object to a simple statement of fact that gets their brand name out there.

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Posted 11/7/2009 11:19 AM (GMT -5)

Here are my opinions, and please don't take anything personally.

I think adding the Finale logo might look a little tacky. Traditionally, publisher and copyright information has always been typeset very unobtrusively. To have a logo sitting there screaming at you seems to take something away from desired "quietness" of a well laid out and spaced page - a look that should focus the performer on the music and be easy to read.

And what if a person that is inclined toward Sibelius looks at your product and assumes, wrongly, that this page would probably look much better done on Sibelius?

I clicked on the link to your website and your engraving is beautifully done. If you want to add the logo, yes, I'd ask for permission.

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Patrick Rice
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Posted 11/9/2009 8:47 PM (GMT -5)

Thanks for all the suggestions, and for the complements on my engraving.
I should have been clearer in that I don't want to use the Finale logo, just a reference to Finale as the tool I use.
I'll contact Coda directly and see what they say.

Pat

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Patrick Rice
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Posted 11/10/2009 12:54 PM (GMT -5)

This is the reply I received from MakeMusic:

Pat-
MakeMusic, Inc. is fine with you referencing the product - just be sure to use the registered trademark symbol as shown in the example below:

Engraved using Finale®

Please feel free to respond to this case if you have any further questions about this issue.

Chris S.
MakeMusic Customer Support

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DCrocker
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Posted 11/11/2009 1:53 PM (GMT -5)

Different things are being discussed:
1. Statement saying Engraved with Finale® (or should that be Finale™?), and
2. Using the Finale *logo*

I am not a lawyer (nor did I recently stay at a Holiday Express) but I would think the legal ramifications are completely different.

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Posted 11/11/2009 8:15 PM (GMT -5)

(I think ™ and ® are the same.)

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Posted 11/11/2009 10:26 PM (GMT -5)

Motet said...
(I think ™ and ® are the same.)

It doesn't really matter. MM specified ® and that is what should be used.

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Posted 11/12/2009 12:59 AM (GMT -5)

Look like I'm wrong: ® denotes a registered trademark, ™ a trademark which isn't necessarily registered. Or so says Wikipedia.

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Posted 11/12/2009 8:21 AM (GMT -5)

Ok, I stand (actully sit) corrected in that it does matter.

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Posted 11/12/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -5)

Jeannie said...
Ok, I stand (actully sit) corrected in that it does matter.

Motet's right - the clue is in the use of the letter "R" in the circle! :-)

Brian

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Posted 11/12/2009 3:20 PM (GMT -5)

Did Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever register Trancendental Meditation™?

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