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Patrick Rice
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  		   Posted 7/4/2010 6:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,
Here's what I'm trying to do:
I want to be able to set a tempo with the playback control to the tempo for a duple section, then somehow have a tripple section play at 1.5 times the duple section tempo. I know I can set it with expressions, but that won't let me vary the playback speed with the playback control. If there's a way to create an expression that will do this I can't find it. Basically I want "half note = dotted half note" expression that will play at whatever tempo is set in the playback tool. And then, of course, I want another expression that will change it back.
 
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  		   Posted 7/4/2010 7:11 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can create that half note=dotted half note with the expression tempo dialogue.


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  		   Posted 7/5/2010 1:24 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you are asking for a tempo change command that is a percentage of the tempo as set in the playback controls, I believe that is not possible.

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  		   Posted 7/5/2010 6:40 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can easily create the expression to display with half note = dotted half note.

However, creating a relative tempo marking for playback (i.e. saying reduce tempo by factor) might be a bit tricky. It might be possible with the Shapes in the expression playback dialog, but it's not something I've ever done.

It's probably easiest to express absolute tempo values. If you need the same mark in more than once place with different tempi, then create more expressions.

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  		   Posted 7/5/2010 2:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Patrick, why won't the expressions work for you? You can hide them. You want to change the pattern each time you play the file?

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  		   Posted 7/5/2010 2:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Have you tried the Tempo Tool?

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  		   Posted 7/5/2010 3:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why don't you just change the note durations on the sections you want to be affected by a relative tempo change?

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  		   Posted 7/5/2010 3:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tried to find that in the expression tool but couldn't. Where is it?

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  		   Posted 7/5/2010 4:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's not an expression. It would be automatically re-notating a section. I don't know where it was in 2005, but in 2010 it's under Utilities/Change/Note duration.

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  		   Posted 7/6/2010 12:56 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I guess I am misunderstanding the request. I believed this to be a desire to tell the new section that the value of the half note would equal the value of the dotted half note, with a relative tempo adjustment. An expression can only do an absolute value, as in bpm. The tempo tool has the option of setting a relative value, as in 150% (what i needed in this case). So, in that measure, set the tempo tool to that. No initial tempo has been set, since Pat wants to be able to try different tempi via the playback controls. By using the relative value of 150% with the Tempo Tool, no matter what the playback tempo is, the triple meter bar will play at the relative difference set in the Tempo Tool.

Make sure, by the way, that HP does not interfere with this. You can set that in playback preferences without actually turning off HP.

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  		   Posted 7/12/2010 1:13 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,
Sorry for the extended absence. Zuill hit the nail on the head. The tempo tool does exacctly what I want. Thanks a zillion.
Pat

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  		   Posted 7/12/2010 11:13 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Are we talking about the tempo setting in the MIDI tool (which I clearly have never mastered)? Tempo Tap? something new after 2008?

Thanks,

Jeanne

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  		   Posted 7/12/2010 11:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Under Tools>Advanced Tools. Or, if you have the icons showing, it is the Metronome Icon.

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  		   Posted 7/12/2010 12:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
Under Tools>Advanced Tools. Or, if you have the icons showing, it is the Metronome Icon.



Can't believe I never hacked my way over there. Thank you so much,

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