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|  Gareth Green Player of fine trumpets

       Date Joined Oct 2001 Total Posts : 1532 | Posted 7/15/2010 5:45 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Davidmorehead said...
Add the new expressions shortcuts to smart shapes. (control down arrow to copy to the staff below, etc...) Once you get a crescendo the way you like it on one part, you can copy that to every stave with two keystrokes. You can, more-or-less, do this already, using Edit Filter: Measure-attached Smart Shapes only, select source measure, Ctrl-Alt-Click target measure, paste vertically 'n' times, or to bottom of score. Granted, bit more than two keystrokes, but could be streamlined with your metatools for edit/copy filters, which I would also like to see.
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 |  QcCowboy Registered Member
        Date Joined May 2003 Total Posts : 3035 | Posted 7/15/2010 7:20 AM (GMT -5) |   | when drag-applying expressions, Finale should ignore rests. If I select a measure-column of music, Finale should apply the meta-tool expression I selected ONLY to beats with a note attached.
I normally don't have perfectly square musical entrances on all instruments in my music. Often in an instrumental group, some will start on a certain beat, while others the following beat, or beat-and-a-half. And often, it's every other staff that starts on a different beat. So I can't just drag apply meta-tool expressions without needing to adjust each and every one.
I'd like Finale to realize that a dynamic expression does NOT attach to a rest, but to the very next "real" note . Michel R. Edward Composer, teacher, music administrator
Finale versions: 3.0 -> 2011 currently installed: 2006c, 2007c, 2008a, 2009, 2010, 2011 GPO 4, Garritan J&BB 3, CoMBand, Stradivari Violin, Gofriller Cello Xsamples chamber Ensemble Win XP
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 |  Flint silly bear

       Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 1022 | Posted 7/15/2010 11:26 AM (GMT -5) |   |
QcCowboy said... when drag-applying expressions, Finale should ignore rests. If I select a measure-column of music, Finale should apply the meta-tool expression I selected ONLY to beats with a note attached.
I normally don't have perfectly square musical entrances on all instruments in my music. Often in an instrumental group, some will start on a certain beat, while others the following beat, or beat-and-a-half. And often, it's every other staff that starts on a different beat. So I can't just drag apply meta-tool expressions without needing to adjust each and every one.
I'd like Finale to realize that a dynamic expression does NOT attach to a rest, but to the very next "real" note . Agreed.
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I'd like an easy way to line up the endpoints of crescendoes and diminuendoes that doesn't involve having to then fix all the startpoints.
Also, the ability to simply cut+paste hairpins (not this cr4p with messing constantly with the Filter).
I'd like to see Smart Lines work more like slurs—select a begining note, select an end note... voilà, a perfectly placed tr(b, #, nat, whatever)~~~~~~~~ sign with the last ~~ hanging just past the end note. That'd save me a ton of fiddly time.
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      |  Fred G. Unn Registered Member

       Date Joined Jun 2002 Total Posts : 738 | Posted 7/16/2010 10:31 AM (GMT -5) |   | 1. I know it's been mentioned before but unicode and fractional type sizes. Also, there are some fairly serious bugs in the font rendering of expressions when using non Windows system fonts, i.e. pretty much anything Adobe makes. I can go into detail but MM knows about this. Since unicode is not supported, no Adobe "Pro" fonts are either and the line spacing is wacky.
2. Ability to set different positioning and type sizes between score and linked parts for Text tool items. A title for example will often not be in the same location and same size in the parts as it is in the score so the user ends up with a score and a score for parts, kind of defeating the purpose of linked parts.
3. Edit Filter "sets" and shortcuts for those sets. When using Edit Filter I often find myself only copying smart shapes and accidentals, or only chord symbols, or everything, etc. It would be a time saver to assign a metatool to an Edit Filter setup and be able to switch without actually having to enter the Edit Filter dialog box.
4. Restore functionality of opaque expressions to what it was in 2008. The attached graphic which shows opaque expressions eliminating barline collisions with chords and 2-bar repeats is exported from Finale 2008, and is not possible to do in 2009 and later versions. If this isn't to be restored, an "erase background" feature like Sibelius has would be very useful.
5. Notation based Implode and Explode instead of MIDI based. These two commands are using MIDI info instead of the actual notation info. Why should this be necessary? Tuplets, dotted rhythms, enharmonics, etc. often are imploded or exploded incorrectly.
6. Maybe this is possible for a 2011 maintenance release but there needs to be some added functionality to the right-click menu of the Staff tool now that it is used to show/hide empty staves instead of optimization. Having to enter the Staff menu for this is an added unnecessary step. A keyboard shortcut would be good too. (Maybe there is already, I haven't messed around with 2011 much.)
7. What's happening with the PDK? Will this be updated? Many of Tobias' plug-ins are pretty essential to my workflow so I'd hate for these to be unavailable in a future version. Something like his Modify/Transfer/Layout is such an incredible timesaver when formatting parts that I would really hate to be able to use that. That feature really should be built into Linked Parts anyway so maybe they could license it and build it directly into the Linked Parts code, not as a plug-in.
8. Likewise with TGTools Copy System Optimization and Shift System Optimization. Since optimization doesn't exist any more there should be a way to copy individual staff positioning edits from page to page. This really should be built into the Staff Tool or Page Layout tool or something.
9. Full screen mode. Adobe Lightroom has a great shortcut that gets rid of all menus, tools, etc. so the whole screen can be used to view photos. It even gets rid of the Windows Taskbar. Something like this would be great for editing with the Selection Tool. Just hit the shortcut and you'd have the maximum amount of space to view your score.
10. Colors. I guess they tried to address the defaults in 2011 by toning down the default colors, but it still looks amateurish and unprofessional to my eye. Since the Selection Tool can edit basically anything anyway, I don't see the point in having blue repeats, etc. by default upon install. I use colors for layers, staff style bars, and to show unlinked items but that's about it, and even then I would like a shortcut to switch everything to black for editing. It's odd, but I guess my eye ends up being drawn to colors and I'll miss something while editing that is completely obvious once I've converted the file to a black and white .pdf. It's also annoying to have to go and change the default colors every time I upgrade. A more logical color scheme or the ability to import the color scheme from the previous version upon install would be nice.
11. I know they just re-did it but the percussion map is still a PITA. Sorry, but it is. There's gotta be a better way to implement this.
12. Patterson Beams/Ross beams. It's time for "correct" beaming to be built into the program. I shouldn't have to run a plug-in for this. Really.
13. The ability to rotate text. The only workaround to currently do this that I know of is with a custom Smart Shape or to import text as a graphic. I haven't needed it that often but the ability to rotate text would come in handy in scores when something needs to be rotated 90 degrees in the margin.
14. It seems about time for a Shape Designer update too. This interface is really dated and clunky.
I'm sure there are a few more I'll think of later. Fred
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 |  Wiggy Early music: modern methods

       Date Joined Jun 2006 Total Posts : 4747 | Posted 7/16/2010 11:03 AM (GMT -5) |   | Fred G. Unn said... 1. I know it's been mentioned before but unicode and fractional type sizes. Also, there are some fairly serious bugs in the font rendering of expressions when using non Windows system fonts, i.e. pretty much anything Adobe makes. I can go into detail but MM knows about this. Since unicode is not supported, no Adobe "Pro" fonts are either and the line spacing is wacky. I've also called for Unicode and fractional point sizes. However, I've not seen any problem using Adobe Pro openType fonts in Finale.
Fred G. Unn said... 4. Restore functionality of opaque expressions to what it was in 2008. The attached graphic which shows opaque expressions eliminating barline collisions with chords and 2-bar repeats is exported from Finale 2008, and is not possible to do in 2009 and later versions. If this isn't to be restored, an "erase background" feature like Sibelius has would be very useful. You can still do opaque expressions. Create an expression with an Enclosure, 0 line width, and Enforce minimum width for dimensions.
Fred G. Unn said... 10. Colors. I guess they tried to address the defaults in 2011 by toning down the default colors, but it still looks amateurish and unprofessional to my eye. Since the Selection Tool can edit basically anything anyway, I don't see the point in having blue repeats, etc. by default upon install. I use colors for layers, staff style bars, and to show unlinked items but that's about it, and even then I would like a shortcut to switch everything to black for editing. It's odd, but I guess my eye ends up being drawn to colors and I'll miss something while editing that is completely obvious once I've converted the file to a black and white .pdf. It's also annoying to have to go and change the default colors every time I upgrade. A more logical color scheme or the ability to import the color scheme from the previous version upon install would be nice.
I much prefer the more subdued colours in 2011. But if you don't want any colour, then you can turn them off by deselecting "Use Score Colors". It would be nice to load in your old Program Options, I suppose. Some better way of transferring old settings between versions is needed, as that's my major problem at the moment. Finale 2011, 2009c, 2Ghz iMac; 2Ghz MacBook, 10.6.4 Edirol FA-66; M-Audio Oxygen 61; Yamaha PSR-410 Ancient Groove Music www.ancientgroove.co.ukPost Edited (Wiggy) : 7/16/2010 10:08:44 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | |
 |  Flint silly bear

       Date Joined Oct 2006 Total Posts : 1022 | Posted 7/16/2010 11:18 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Wiggy said...
Fred G. Unn said... 4. Restore functionality of opaque expressions to what it was in 2008. The attached graphic which shows opaque expressions eliminating barline collisions with chords and 2-bar repeats is exported from Finale 2008, and is not possible to do in 2009 and later versions. If this isn't to be restored, an "erase background" feature like Sibelius has would be very useful. You can still do opaque expressions. Create an expression with an Enclosure, 0 line width, and Enforce minimum width for dimensions. Like this:
It took about 5 seconds. Select a rectangular enclosure, set height, width, and line width to zero, click the opaque boxes, press okay. Damn simple to do.
EDIT: This was done in Finale 2009, and I can verify readily that it still works this way in 2011. woodwind specialist and doubler - Finale 2011! using Speedy Entry - no capslock, GPO 2nd ed. Full version, Garritan Jazz & Big Band, Garritan Concert and Marching Band, Windows Vista 32-bit SP1, 4GB RAM, Soundblaster Audigy II zs
If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner ReadPost Edited (Flint) : 7/16/2010 10:23:08 AM (GMT-5)
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 |  QcCowboy Registered Member
        Date Joined May 2003 Total Posts : 3035 | Posted 7/16/2010 11:18 AM (GMT -5) |   | Fred G. Unn said...
4. Restore functionality of opaque expressions to what it was in 2008. The attached graphic which shows opaque expressions eliminating barline collisions with chords and 2-bar repeats is exported from Finale 2008, and is not possible to do in 2009 and later versions. If this isn't to be restored, an "erase background" feature like Sibelius has would be very useful.
This works perfectly in Finale 2010 and Finale 2011. As a matter of fact, it works perfectly fine in Finale 2009 as well... what exactly is the problem you are seeing?
Please don't tell me it doesn't work. I just finished an orchestral score and parts where I needed to make extensive use of this feature (something I'd never used before), and the result is more than satisfying. Michel R. Edward Composer, teacher, music administrator
Finale versions: 3.0 -> 2011 currently installed: 2006c, 2007c, 2008a, 2009, 2010, 2011 GPO 4, Garritan J&BB 3, CoMBand, Stradivari Violin, Gofriller Cello Xsamples chamber Ensemble Win XP
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 |  QcCowboy Registered Member
        Date Joined May 2003 Total Posts : 3035 | Posted 7/16/2010 11:48 AM (GMT -5) |   | Since the topic is already in another thread:
1. how about a "resize staff" that includes options for whether or not you want any staff-related items to be resized as well?
2. either this, or have an option in the expression designer whether you want the expression in question to scale with the staff size or not.
(I think I prefer the 2nd option)
For example, a violin and piano piece, the violin staff is, traditionally, set at 75% while the piano is at 100%. However, you would like expressions that affect the piano staff, such as tempo markings which are generally above the top staff, to be in the right font size (ie: non-reduced).
This would be a nice feature, which would avoid the "work-around" of using fixed font sizes (fixed font sizes also defeat the purpose of having a resizeable page in the first place). Michel R. Edward Composer, teacher, music administrator
Finale versions: 3.0 -> 2011 currently installed: 2006c, 2007c, 2008a, 2009, 2010, 2011 GPO 4, Garritan J&BB 3, CoMBand, Stradivari Violin, Gofriller Cello Xsamples chamber Ensemble Win XP
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       |  Fred G. Unn Registered Member

       Date Joined Jun 2002 Total Posts : 738 | Posted 7/18/2010 9:12 AM (GMT -5) |   | From my previous post I'll add a 12a) One of the problems w/Patterson Beams is that it screws up many tuplets, resulting in a lot of hand-tweaking. It would be nice to have this automated.
15) A vertical offset setting for slash notation so Maestro character #203 can be used for the large slash. As of 2011 if it is selected in Document Options/Alternate Notation it appears too low in the staff.
16) Correct placement of bracketed tuplets with mixed stems. As of now the bracket goes below the notes for a quarter note tuplet that begins with a rest and has mixed stems. (This is with Default Placement: Stem/Beam side selected.) Correct placement for mixed stems should be above. For quarter note tuplets not beginning with a rest Finale bases the positioning on the stem of the first note without looking to see if stems are mixed or not.
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 |  Jeannie 'Tis Herself - I have the tee shirt to prove it!

       Date Joined Jul 2004 Total Posts : 1859 | Posted 7/18/2010 11:35 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Lance Handsome said...I would like Finale to automatically carry my previous version's preferences as much as they apply to the new version being installed. I hate having to re-setup my toolbars, document settings, program settings, etc. everytime I install a new version of Finale.Amen, brother! Testify!
I also agree with this suggestion. One of the reasons I haven't installed Finale 2010, besides the steep learning curve that will be involved, especially for the new selection tool, is I do not feel like dealing with having to reset everything.
I would like to add that it might be even better if the new version installed with the default settings but had an option to change those settings to the settings in a previous installation. That would allow people to more readily see changes then, with very little effort and if they so choose, fetch the settings from the previous version (a menu one could use to tic individual items on or off would be nice) and apply them to the new version.
Jeannie
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 |  Jeannie 'Tis Herself - I have the tee shirt to prove it!

       Date Joined Jul 2004 Total Posts : 1859 | Posted 7/18/2010 11:55 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Éric Dussault said... 1) Something I am wishing for years now is Finale to draw tapered dashed slurs in the smart shape tool (now all we have is a dashed curved line and I stopped using it because of its poor appearance). And being there why not having the same for ties (some kind of shortcut in speedy like opt (ctrl)- =)... I heartily agree with this suggestion although it would be of little to no use for me if limited to Speedy only. Just put it in the Smart Shape menu.
It would also be nice if the spacing of the dashed slurs and ties (or the spacing of notes, as now happens with solid ties) would automatically adjust (while retaining the ability for the user to tweak as needed). Here is a portion of a post I made in another thread;
...Besides the lack of tapered ends, the length and spacing of the slurs is fixed so the end is frequently too short or just isn't there, depending on the length of the slur or "tie." Once my page layout is completed, I have to go back and adjust the slur and "tie" lengths or tweak measure and note spacing to get things to come out reasonably well looking. And, as Mike also pointed out, playback suffers if using ties created from slurs (although playback is less important to me than the appearance of the printed music). I haven't even gotten around to installing Finale 2010 yet and wasn't planning on upgrading anytime soon but if MM fixes the dashed slurs and adds true dashed ties, I would be all over that like stink on...dead fish. While somehow tying playback to the presence of lyric and word extensions would be nice, the lack of it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
Jeannie
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