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gogreen
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Posted 7/31/2010 10:21 AM (GMT -5)

This would be for a concert band or orchestral setting. I'm banking on #1 as correct. #3 is what Finale 2011 produces unaltered. #1, right? Thanks.

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David Ward
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Posted 7/31/2010 10:46 AM (GMT -5)

1 is to be preferred. If the note tails were up, which you can have if you wish, then the tremolo should be on the up side.

I personally (but it's a choice, not a rule) wouldn't use the ties with the tremolo, but might (not necessarily) if I indicated the roll with a trill.

See also forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=292384

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Post Edited (David Ward) : 7/31/2010 9:56:12 AM (GMT-5)

Jetcopy
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Posted 7/31/2010 10:57 AM (GMT -5)

Arthur,

#1 is what is most commonly used by US publishers. In addition, many times sus. cym. notation like this is notated always stems up, even when it's placed high in the staff or on a single staff line as you have. The other element you need to add is either a "let ring" or "dampen" or "choke" after the 8th note.

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Post Edited (Jetcopy) : 7/31/2010 10:08:39 AM (GMT-5)

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David Ward
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Posted 7/31/2010 11:13 AM (GMT -5)

Jetcopy said...
The other element you need to add is either a "let ring" or "dampen" or "choke" after the 8th note.

To be comprehensive about this, you might use 'lv' or 'l.v.' short for laisser vibrer instead of 'let ring', or even just a short tie to nothing (as in Jetcopy's image above). On my side of the Atlantic at least 'damp' will do just as well as 'dampen'. Symphony & opera musicians would usually dampen as soon as there is a written rest, unless requested to do otherwise, but it still does no harm to add the direction to do so.

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Post Edited (David Ward) : 7/31/2010 10:22:06 AM (GMT-5)

Zuill
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Posted 7/31/2010 1:20 PM (GMT -5)

Number one is the best. Keep the tie. Otherwise, you'll intend for the roll to be broken, and I don't think you want that. Even with a trill sign, the tie is good. No need for the word choke, as the rest is there for that.

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gogreen
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Posted 7/31/2010 1:53 PM (GMT -5)

Thanks, Zuill, David and JT. #1 is what I've been using for all my scores, but I just wanted to recheck that choice. I forgot to add the tie at the end of all examples for "let ring."

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