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   Posted 4/29/2011 9:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm using Finale PrintMusic 2009.
 
When I put in a quarter note triplet, I get the standard three - quarter rests. But what I need is two eighth notes, a quarter rest, then another two eighth notes within said triplet. When I go to put in the two eighth notes, my first quarter simply becomes an eighth, and I'm down an eighth that I can't get back for the rest of the measure. I've tried starting with the two eighths before I create the triplet, but a similar problem occurs. Any suggestions?
 
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   Posted 4/29/2011 10:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Create the quarter-note triplet with quarter notes. Then change the rhythm to what ever you need.

OR

Enter the first note of your quarter note triplet as a quarter note, then go back and change it to the rhythm that you need. Whichever method seems easier.

Unless you enter the rhythm that you want, then use the tuplet tool to specify 3 quarters in the space of two, then Finale will create the type of tuplet based on the first note entered.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 12:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, but I still can't get it to work. Literally, the quarter note /becomes/ an eighth note, rather than allowing me to break the quarter into two eighths. If I try to plug in all the spaces as eighth notes, I end up with five eighth notes over the space of two quarters, and it claims that it is in triplet.

But wait! Somehow I made it work. o.o; I put in two eighth notes and a quarter, then created the triplet. Then it, for some reason, allowed me to put in the final two eighths. Odd, but whatever works, I suppose. Thanks for the help!

Oh, but wait again. Now it says I have another quarter rest to deal with. o.o; I have two three - over two quarter note triplets in a four/four bar. Oh well. I'll just hide it and deal with the playback issue it will cause.

And once again I got it. If I just build the triplet in a separate bar, I can copy/paste it into the beats I want.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 1:03 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No problem at all. Enter the first eighth note, and hit ALT+9. Set the triplet for 3 quarters in the space of 2 quarters, OK. Enter the next eighth note, hit numpad 5 to change to quarter, 0 to enter rest, numpad 4 to change back to eighth notes, enter last two eighths. You may get a superfluous rest following the triplet; just select and delete it.

Look at the article Tuplets with Simple Entry at www.specialmillwork.com/finaletips.htm



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   Posted 4/30/2011 1:08 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wow, awesome! Thanks so much; I'm not very proficient with the keypad.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 1:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Honestly, this is a situation where you are writing it more complicated than it needs to be.

Why not simply write two 8th note triplets?
In my opinion, this is one of those places where the rest should NOT be consolidated.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 2:45 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michel R. E. said...
In my opinion, this is one of those places where the rest should NOT be consolidated.

Absolutely agree, this notation is incorrect.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 9:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I does look rather cool though. If you really want it that way, make it a sextuplet instead.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 9:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
looking "cool" is what gives us the monstrosities known as "cutaway scores".
when you have no music worthwhile to put on the page, then make the tripe you notate look "cool".
there is FAR too much of that in "contemporary" music.

but that's just my opinion.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 2:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Whether it is better to notate it like a quarter triplet or two eighth triplets can only be decided by the context. If it sounds like two triplets it should be notated so. Otherwise not. I think there has to be a reason for a certain notation.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 2:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mayhaps. Just for context, my school is doing a medely of two separate pieces which requires a ton of obnoxious page flipping. As such, I decided to just plug it all into Finale so as to have one constant piece of music. The whole rhythym falls within a constant three on two feel, so I agree with you all; it's an odd choice of notation, but it fits in context of the rest of the piece, and I'm pulling it right off the page. Trust me, I wouldn't willingly put that in any of my music.


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   Posted 4/30/2011 5:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In this instance, it really seems like a quarter note triplet with subdivisions. A very percussion-oriented rhythm.


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   Posted 5/2/2011 6:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Most musicians encountering what Mike posted will stumble over it, I predict.


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