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   Posted 9/9/2012 8:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Are pizz. double stops common? How about Db and Eb at the bottom of the clef? If the pizz. is not easy, divisi is OK. If the pizz. is tricky but possible, do I need to write "divisi" to get divisi?


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   Posted 9/9/2012 9:11 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"common" probably not, depending on the type of literature.
much more common in chamber music than in orchestral.

but they're not hard.
the sound may not be quite as clear as divided violins playing the same pizz. notes.

if the notes can be played arco as a double stop, then it can be done as a pizz. Your example is not difficult at all. However, contextually it also depends on what the next notes are. If it is another double stop, then it is important to take hand position into account.

as for writing div. or not, well, just be aware that MANY orchestras will actually divide parts that are specifically NOT written div., depending on the context.

While it is normal and expected to write "div." and "unis." in string parts, it is even more important to clearly mark "non-div." where necessary.


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   Posted 9/9/2012 11:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's the chuck-chucks (as in "boom chuck-chuck") of a fairly slow waltz, so it sounds like it's playable as double stops by ordinary players, and I should write "non-div."

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   Posted 9/10/2012 2:01 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In your context, it sounds like a very good "non divisi" passage. Db+Eb on the 2 lowest violin strings are easy to hit and the dynamic level is easy to control. And it's always a bit easier to play "non div" pizz if the bottom starts on the G string or if the top ends on the E string.

"div" can sometimes be interpreted as a "precision" marking, but some players/sections might play it "non div" anyway (for example using 2 fingers on 2 strings). If you clearly want a "divisi" effect, such as with 2 different melodic lines, make sure to NOT put them on the same stem. It will be easier to read for the player, and it will assure that it's will always be "div".


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   Posted 9/10/2012 11:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Great info--thanks.


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   Posted 9/10/2012 12:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
It's the chuck-chucks (as in "boom chuck-chuck") of a fairly slow waltz, so it sounds like it's playable as double stops by ordinary players, and I should write "non-div."

Thanks!

I've got a similar arranging problem but with a viola. I have a slow waltz (120-144bpm) and the viola either plays double stops (staccato for now), but I would like to use a pizzicato now and then for variation. The notes will be either sixths or thirds. (Sometimes I use an arpeggio to avoid the question.) It's for a string trio. The cello gets the "oom" and the viola the "pahs" mostly.


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