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Michaelw
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Date Joined Apr 2015
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| Posted 4/28/2015 11:34 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hello Helpful Finale Community--I am a Finale Newbie. My wife
wants to publish a set of music books for her students. She's
asking me to help her. 
I have 3 questions which I thought I could figure out as a Newbie but alas... I failed. 
Before I give up, I promised her I would give it my best shot and ask people who actually know how
to maneuver, tweak, adjust all the bells and whistles to make things happen.
Questions: Attached is a sample tune--very simple.
1-How do I get rid of a cautionary clef
2-How do I insert the same time signature on a different stave? (I had to "hide" staves in order to show just one stave).
3-Is there any way I can move the system closer to the bottom of the page? (since I hid staves it doesn't want to let me do that?)
Thanks so much,
Michael
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Motet
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Motet
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Zuill
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| Posted 4/28/2015 12:53 PM (GMT -6) | |
Harpsi said...
1-2. With time signature tool, click bar 9. Select 4/4. Just to be clear, once you select 4/4, the cautionary signature will disappear, but 4/4 won't appear, as it hasn't changed. So, using the Measure Tool, choose to Always Show the time signature in that measure. Then, in the last measure of the previous system, choose to hide cautionary signatures.
Zuill
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Zuill
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| Posted 4/28/2015 12:53 PM (GMT -6) | |
Motet said...
I see no cautionary clef in the attachment. Just a confusion of terms. I believe what was meant was cautionary time signature.
Zuill
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Zuill
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| Posted 4/28/2015 12:55 PM (GMT -6) | |
Peter West said...
To get rid of the cautionary clef, select the staff tool (icon looks like treble clef) double click in the last bar on the first system (i.e. the one before th cautionary clef. In the dialog box that comes up you can hide cautionary clefs time and key signatures.
I believe you mean the Measure Tool.
Zuill
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Zuill
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| Posted 4/28/2015 12:57 PM (GMT -6) | |
Motet said...
Also, I didn't know it was possible to mix 4/4 and C in the same document. This feature has been around for years. I can't say how many, but I am guessing from the beginning.
Zuill
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Zuill
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| Posted 4/28/2015 1:52 PM (GMT -6) | | We aren't seeing much there. It would be nice to see the file.
Zuill
P.S.: When the Staff Style to Hide and Collapse is used, it seems to not show the signature at the end of the previous system. When the Staff Tool menu item is used (Hide Empty Staves), it still shows.
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Flint
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| Posted 4/28/2015 2:53 PM (GMT -6) | |
Zuill said...
P.S.: When the Staff Style to Hide and Collapse is used, it seems to not show the signature at the end of the previous system. When the Staff Tool menu item is used (Hide Empty Staves), it still shows. Yes, I reported this back in Finale 2011 shortly after it launched. Cautionaries are not shown if the subsequent system is Force Hidden.
My work around was to remove the Staff Style after it was applied, but not choose to show the (previously) hidden staff in Page View.
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Michaelw
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| Posted 4/29/2015 10:58 AM (GMT -6) | | Great feedback and help. Thanks so much. You've inspired me to keep going...yesterday, before I logged onto this forum, I felt like I was on the Titantic. Cheers, M~
Problems Solved thanks to your input:
1) Inserting the same time signature in a different measure:
Select measure; Choose Measure Tool, choose to Always Show the time signature in that measure.
2) Hiding cautionary time signature:
Choose document options/Time signatures in pane on left
To hide cautionary time signature “uncheck” “display courtesy time signature”
3) To Lower Staves closer to bottom of page.
Select: Staff Pane/Staff Menu/Staff Usage.
In the Staff Usage Box: I chose Staff #1 and set the “distance from Top of previous staff” to .1 I then did the same with Staff #2. Now the hidden staves were very close to the shown staves on my screen. Then I was able to choose the layout tool and either drag the individual staves or the handles to reposition the staves closer to the bottom of the page. (This was possible because of how close I was able to put the hidden stave next to the shown stave which freed up a lot more space on my page). | | Back to Top | |
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