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Jill
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Posted 7/22/2015 5:28 AM (GMT -6)

I've laboriously beamed primary beams in groups of threes and twos so its easier to see the rhythmical patterns. Can't find out how to copy this to another stave (different notes...just want to copy beaming pattern).

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Vaughan
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Posted 7/22/2015 6:45 AM (GMT -6)

Are the beam patterns the same in several or all of the subsequent measures? If so, you could create (or even change after the fact) the time signature into a composite one so that it reflects the beam groups. This would keep you from having to change laboriously all the primary beams by hand. I realise that this won't help you now but if that's not the case, what I would have done is to copy the music with the laboriously created beam patterns to the other staves and then use the repitch function of Simple Entry to alter their pitches. Perhaps you could post the file here and we can see exactly what it is that you'd like to do.

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michelp
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Posted 7/22/2015 6:47 AM (GMT -6)

The plug-ins JW Rhythm Copy and maybe JW Pattern Copy could help. Available here : www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/9-plug-ins-for-windows?limitstart=0.

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Jill
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Posted 7/22/2015 6:56 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks michelp and Vaughan will try later and post

Peter Thomsen
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Posted 7/22/2015 7:28 AM (GMT -6)

Another option - without using a plug-in:

Utilities menu > Rebesm > Rebeam to Time Signature…

Just another way to “skin the cat”.

Peter

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Charles Lawrence
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Posted 7/22/2015 7:30 AM (GMT -6)

A suggestion. Select measure with beaming -> drag copy to new measure (copies notes as well) -> use Simple/Repitch to change notes to correct pitch in new measure.

Sorry, I should have read the complete thread. Vaughan already suggested this.

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Vaughan
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Posted 7/22/2015 8:08 AM (GMT -6)

I'd already suggested the idea of creating a composite time signature which reflects the beam groups (and you'd have to select Rebar Music in the TS window). Unfortunately this will only work or would be feasible if the beaming pattern stays pretty much the same for the entire piece or at least for larger sections of it. Otherwise you'll be dealing with the law of diminishing returns. Peter's suggestion would otherwise be easier, especially if you have a macro program installed (which is a good idea anyway). For example, I have a simple macro to select the Rebeam to Time Signature menu command. This immediately takes over what I've set. If you have different beam groups throughout the piece, you could perform this operation in several passes, each with a different setup for beam groups. With a macro, this could be quite a quick operation.

Vaughan

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Jill
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Posted 7/25/2015 3:37 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks all.

I've tried the JW ideas but while copies rhythm patterns it also copies the pitches.

Composite time sig. and re beam...still don't get beams, just single notes so I need to look at document options to see how my beaming is set up

Copying and changing pitches is an idea I'd considered but I would have to transpose almost every pitch as it is quite complex.

Have done it all 'by hand' but there must be an easier work round. I remember that you could copy tuplet patterns on the older Finale versions...not sure about this one...so must be something to copy across beaming somewhere!

michelp
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Posted 7/25/2015 4:05 AM (GMT -6)

Jill said...
I've tried the JW ideas but while copies rhythm patterns it also copies the pitches.

JW Rhythm Copy doesn't.

Michel
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N. Grossingink
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Posted 7/25/2015 4:44 AM (GMT -6)

michelp said...

Jill said...
I've tried the JW ideas but while copies rhythm patterns it also copies the pitches.

JW Rhythm Copy doesn't.

JW Rhythm Copy will do what you want. One problem - while copying the rhythm patterns, it strips out any slurs used in that pattern. I'm not sure if this is a bug - it may be the designer's intention. It would be easy to restore the slurs using the familiar copy function.

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Vaughan
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Posted 7/25/2015 11:47 AM (GMT -6)

You didn't answer my first question which had to do with the time signature. If your file consistently needs a specific beaming pattern, this is done with Composite Time Signatures. If you get separate eighth notes, you're not setting it up correctly. If, for example, you need a measure with 8 eighth notes beamed 3+3+2, you need to enter 3+3+2 into Beam Groups and 8 into Beam Duration. You can set this to display differently and you can also do all this after the fact: if you select Rebar Music, it will alter the existing beam patterns to do what you've set up. Of course, if you need varying beaming patterns, JW Rhythm Copy is the way to go.

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Posted 7/25/2015 2:27 PM (GMT -6)

Composite time signatures are confusing. You need to enter 3+3+2 into one "numerator," not separate boxes:

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