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Gareth Green
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| Posted 11/8/2012 12:07 PM (GMT -6) |   |
Flint said...
Personally, in my experience musicians hate two-stave parts. Give each person their own part.
Derrek said...
I agree that this will be unusual for the players. Unless of course it's in a Theatre pit ...
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Gareth Green
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| Posted 11/8/2012 12:10 PM (GMT -6) | |
Derrek said...
Create a new combined Horn part in "Manage Parts" (Document menu). I don't think that will work unless there are two staves in the score. To do what the OP is asking for, I believe it will be necessary to have both the single stave parts and the combined stave part in the score, then use Manage Parts to create the two stave part then hide the redundant staves in the score. I would like to be proved wrong, of course ...
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/8/2012 12:24 PM (GMT -6) | | Or, extract the one staff part, and explode it in the extracted part. This is the "old fashioned" way, but works. Linked parts is not the end-all of music engraving.
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Gareth Green
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| Posted 11/8/2012 12:59 PM (GMT -6) | |
James Cooper said...Seems like a lot of work.
Shouldn't take that long; I assume you're familiar with the "Show Active Layer only" command? Create the two blank horn staves, then use the Selection tool, select the original horn stave, select layer 1, then hit "Show Active Layer only", copy and paste to Horn I, then select Layer 2, copy and paste to Horn II. For the sake of consistency you might then want to "Move contents of Layer 2 to Layer 1" in the Horn II stave, although it's not strictly necessary. It can avoid confusion later, though ...
No more than 45-50 seconds work, I would have thought.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/8/2012 2:42 PM (GMT -6) | | The method can depend on how you have the staff set up. For example, if you have sections where both instruments are in unison, and you are only using one layer there, you have to then copy/paste those separately for the 2nd part. Also, for places where there are 2 notes but saharing a layer (where rhythms are the same), you would have to copy both parts to the other staff and then use one of the available plugins to process the parts (eliminate one part, but retain the other). So, it is not always as easy as one might want it to be.
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Gareth Green
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| Posted 11/8/2012 3:11 PM (GMT -6) | |
Zuill said...The method can depend on how you have the staff set up. For example, if you have sections where both instruments are in unison, and you are only using one layer there, you have to then copy/paste those separately for the 2nd part. Also, for places where there are 2 notes but saharing a layer (where rhythms are the same), you would have to copy both parts to the other staff and then use one of the available plugins to process the parts (eliminate one part, but retain the other). So, it is not always as easy as one might want it to be. Zuill
Well, yes, accepted, but I was inferring from the OP's original post ...
James Cooper said...I have a score where Horn 1 and Horn 2 are on the same staff in 2 layers. I want to create a linked part where Horn 1 is on the top staff and Horn 2 is on the bottom staff. I see how to create separate Horn 1 and Horn 2 parts, but don't see how to get those 2 staves on the same page.
... that he had the horn parts consistently set up in two layers.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/8/2012 3:15 PM (GMT -6) | | Got it. My comment was of a more general nature as dealing with linked parts often is complicated when there are parts where there are other than just 2 layers. For his situation, you are correct. Hopefully, things like expressions and other attachments are applied to both layers.
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Gareth Green
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| Posted 11/8/2012 3:21 PM (GMT -6) | |
Zuill said...Got it. My comment was of a more general nature as dealing with linked parts often is complicated when there are parts where there are other than just 2 layers. For his situation, you are correct. Hopefully, things like expressions and other attachments are applied to both layers. Zuill
True, setting up "voiced" linked parts is time-consuming and fiddly, although generally it only has to be done once, and can then be saved as a template if desired. The only real "no-no" is combining layers and chords in the same measure.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/8/2012 4:50 PM (GMT -6) | | I avoid the Mirror Tool at all costs. For a simple demo, it's okay. But for anything complicated, it can be daunting, if impossible. Especially when it comes to editing of all the other stuff.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/10/2012 10:54 AM (GMT -6) | | A linked part can have a different page size and format than other parts, or from the score.
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Gareth Green
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| Posted 11/10/2012 11:10 AM (GMT -6) | |
Motet said...
write the parts on separate staves in the Finale score, and combine them on a separate staff ("implode") at the end just for the purpose of the conductor's score. I may be misunderstanding, but surely this will only work if the two parts are in exact rhythmic unison throughout? The "implode" function cannot handle independent rhythms, as far as I am aware.
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Zuill
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| Posted 11/10/2012 11:38 AM (GMT -6) | | If the notes are in 2 different layers in measures where they rhythms are different, then implode works fine.
Zuill
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Gareth Green
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| Posted 11/10/2012 12:02 PM (GMT -6) | |
Zuill said...If the notes are in 2 different layers in measures where they rhythms are different, then implode works fine. Zuill
So it does; I never knew that! That might have saved me a few hours work in the past  . Has it always worked like that?
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