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Djard
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  		   Posted 8/29/2015 4:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When changing a solid note head to a half note with the Note Shape Tool, Finale 2012 (and possibly other versions) places the half note one half-step above the original location in the staff. The bug does not affect playback of the modified note. A modified note head cannot be moved in Speedy Entry, and the Notehead Position tool permits only horizontal movement. Has anyone found a way to move a modified note head back into its original place, or must we accept the limitation and use a rest in the attached example?

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  		   Posted 8/29/2015 4:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since I don't get the errant behavior, I suppose I would need to see the file to examine what setting is causing the problem. Also, you can change the vertical placement of a head in the Note Shape Tool.

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  		   Posted 8/29/2015 4:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I, too, am unable to duplicate this issue.

Djard, could you attach a (small) Finale sample document here - for the gurus to examine?


To access the dialog box Notehead Settings:

either
1) use the Notehead Position Tool, and double-click the notehead handle

or
2) use the Note Shape Tool, and right-click the notehead handle.
In the context menu, choose “Edit…”

I personally find 1) a little faster than 2) - but that is a matter of taste.


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  		   Posted 8/29/2015 9:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I regularly change notehead shapes for things like harp glissandi and for contrapuntal piano parts, and have never had this happen either. I'm using Finale 2012 as well.

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  		   Posted 8/30/2015 6:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
are you selecting only half note ntehead, or are you selecting the glyph that has noteheand AND stem?

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  		   Posted 8/30/2015 8:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Adding to Peter West’s post:

The glyph with the open notehead (= half note notehead) is in slot #250.
This is the font character you should select.

The glyphs with a stem and an open notehead are in the slots #72 and #104.
In your particular case you should not select these font characters.

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  		   Posted 8/30/2015 1:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As far as anyone here can tell, there is no "Note Shape Tool bug".
There might be a quirk with your particular file.
Or more likely, it is user error, as has been pointed out by (the) Peter(s).

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  		   Posted 8/30/2015 2:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oops! I mis-scrolled, not going going to the very bottom. I used #72, thinking the only alternative was the non-angled whole note glyph (#119). Selecting the stemmed note causes the problem I experienced. Using #250 solved the issue. Editing the note head to -1 also worked.

Selecting the Note Shape Tool, right-clicking on the modified note head and selecting "Allow Vertical Positioning" did not permit me to move the note head vertically by mouse-dragging, using the arrow keys or in Speedy Entry.

I normally use Speedy Entry Tool to edit the vertical placement of a note in a staff, since the Note Position Tool lets me move notes only horizontally. Is there a quicker way to move notes vertically?

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  		   Posted 8/30/2015 2:33 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Djard said...
…I normally use Speedy Entry Tool to edit the vertical placement of a note in a staff, since the Note Position Tool lets me move notes only horizontally. Is there a quicker way to move notes vertically?

Have you tried the Simple Entry Tool?

When a note is highlighted (selected) in Simple, you can move it up/down with the arrow keys.

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  		   Posted 8/30/2015 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Once Allow Vertical Positioning is selected, the note head can be moved with the Note Position Tool. Moving a note vertically in Speedy or Simple Entry changes the pitch. I was able to move the note head easily, bit there's no need to once the proper note head is selected.

Zuill

P.S.: So, officially, this is not a bug. Sometimes what appears to be a defect is just not that, but something else.

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  		   Posted 9/9/2015 3:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, choosing the correct note head eliminates the need for manipulating it vertically.

Zuill, I enabled "Allow Vertical Positioning," but am not able to move a note vertically with the "Note Position Tool," not with the mouse nor the arrow keys.

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  		   Posted 9/9/2015 4:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That is only for note heads, not notes.

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  		   Posted 9/21/2015 4:56 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks. I'll make note of that.

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