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Peter Thomsen
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| Posted 9/24/2006 8:12 AM (GMT -6) |   | motet said...
...The only thing that's wanting is that the underlying Finale measures are the band's shorter measures, so the instruments which aren't playing will have too many rests shown in their multimeasure rests...
It can be done, by solving the problem "the other way around":
Stay in 3/4, and add false barlines, false time signatures, and false whole measure rests.
See the attached file.
Peter
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J. Gedan
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| Posted 9/24/2006 6:38 PM (GMT -6) | | QcCowboy said: "I'm not exactly sure WHY they would want to preserve Debussy's own engraving skills (or lack thereof). for example, the fifth one (from La Fille...) is actually "impossible" to play as written."
Sorry, I don't understand this statement. As a mixture of the notation of the sound (because of pedaling) and of what the fingers and keys do, it is very clear and understandable at the first view. And it's very very easy to play. Notating this with Finale maybe some work, but it's not really hard to do it.
motet told what Zoltán Kocsis said: "Features of Debussy's piano notation have been reproduced unchanged. Examples are the repeated accidentals for tied notes, the little double lines marking the duration and ending of a rit. or cédéz., the differences between actual ties and ties indicating the continuity of sound ("hanging ties"), the mixing of Italian and French terms and expression marks, etc..."
This is exactly the same as Durand did in the original editions, so there is no need to tell that this edition is something special. Könemann just copied the original editions, the difference between Durand and Könemann is, that Durand's editions are of much higher typographic quality. The low quality of Könemann and the higher quality of Durand can be done with Finale, if you know how to use it, as Peter showed.
I did some of Debussy's piano music with Finale, I never came to a point where I had to say, a special kind of notation is not possible. All you need is enough time in some cases and enough patience and enough skills in using the program.
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Michel R. E.
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| Posted 10/9/2006 10:14 AM (GMT -6) | | J. Gedan said...
QcCowboy said: "I'm not exactly sure WHY they would want to preserve Debussy's own engraving skills (or lack thereof). for example, the fifth one (from La Fille...) is actually "impossible" to play as written."
Sorry, I don't understand this statement. As a mixture of the notation of the sound (because of pedaling) and of what the fingers and keys do, it is very clear and understandable at the first view. And it's very very easy to play. Notating this with Finale maybe some work, but it's not really hard to do it.
if you don't understand why I say that "as written" it is technically a logical impossiblility, then you are not a pianist... or maybe you are thinking too MUCH like a pianist.
one can NOT play a short note at the exact same position as a held note.
it makes no difference at all that the note is held from one measure to the next and then the next if there is a note IN that chord that is re-attacked. it is illogical.
I perfectly understand what Debussy was writing.
I have performed all those preludes in concert at one time or another.
However, I maintain that Debussy's notational talents are sorely lacking.
if the entire thing is pedalled then is there certainly a better way of notating it.
Debussy was notorious for notating piano music as though it were an orchestral score - with held notes that could not be physically held, or which really made no difference whether they were held or not (the latter in this particular case).
Finale versions: 3.0 -> 2007
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J. Gedan
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| Posted 10/9/2006 11:07 AM (GMT -6) | | QcCowboy, my main instrument is the piano, but I also play the violin and I studied and wrote a lot of music not only for these instruments, but also for string quartet, brass ensemble and others. So I really don't think too much like a pianist. But I think very much like a pianist, if I read piano music. What's wrong about that?
Debussy himself was a pianist, so what is wrong about his thinking like a pianist while writing piano music? He wrote a lot of orchestral works, so he knew what he did when he notated his music. Besides he was a very intelligent (sometimes ironic) person, so it's really ridiculous to tell his way of notation is a lack of whatever. His way of notation is because of a certain intention, and as you said, "I perfectly understand what Debussy was writing." And I guess you know what sound Debussy wanted to suggest by his notation. If someone writes his music in a way you perfectly understand, where is the lack of engraving skills?
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hexadec
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Zuill
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| Posted 1/3/2007 9:47 PM (GMT -6) | | Here's one way. It's not that difficult. (Or did I not do it right?) This is done in Finale 2005.
Zuill
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hexadec
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| Posted 1/3/2007 9:54 PM (GMT -6) | | | i assumed peter meant we should do it while using cross staff beaming. the beam extension trick will make it work with cross staff beaming too. but obviously we can do it more than one way. | | Back to Top | |
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