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Jess Hendricks
Fishlips
      
Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 83
| Posted 3/15/2005 2:40 PM (GMT -6) |   | I have never encountered this bug, weird. I hope I don't, either. But I usually have one copy on both my laptop and desktop. I am very paranoid about losing any scores of my work.
I rarely work with part extraction recently because I have not had many recent performances. One thing I can say is I never minimized my parts, I just left them all open in a jumbled mass of windows. :) I think you guys need to actually try to reproduce this problem. If someone can make it happen, I bet the techs could fix it right up. Just a thought. | | Back to Top | |
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poco a poco
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Date Joined Jan 2004
Total Posts : 193
| Posted 3/16/2005 4:27 AM (GMT -6) | | I will never minimize a window again in Finale, I will use exposé (bug don´t apply to exposé, right?) .
Even if the say the bug is fixed I´m scared of by this event. | | Back to Top | |
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poco a poco
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Date Joined Jan 2004
Total Posts : 193
| Posted 3/17/2005 7:50 AM (GMT -6) | | | Thanks Peter, the problem with shortcuts on keyboardlayouts other than english is that some keys are quite different, cause of the languange. I´m thinking of getting a keyboard with english layout just for this problem, they are not easy to find on this side of the atlantic though. | | Back to Top | |
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bgoldes@alfred.com
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Date Joined Jan 2001
Total Posts : 16
| Posted 11/30/2006 7:12 PM (GMT -6) | | just so you know, this bug is still alive and well as of November 30, 2006. Following is the text addressing the issue. It was sent to Finale Tech Support as well as posted on 11-30-06 at the Finale for Macintosh forum. It was through the replies of users that I learned of the file overwrite bug.
Twice in the last several days I have had the following occur. The latest instance is addressed:
I had two Finale files open: one, a score (26367 GlorytotheKing_S.mus), the other, a piano and choral piece (26363GlorySATB.mus) (the latter was NOT extracted from the former, it was created separately). The score was the file I was actively working on at the time of the malfunction. The SATB file was open for reference. I was making changes to the score and making frequent saves. I did NOT perform Save As. I use QuicKeys in Finale and noticed that I was not getting any response when using the keyboard command to change Finale tools. In order to rectify this situation, I quit Finale. When I reopened the score file with the name 26367 GlorytotheKing_S.mus, it had become the same as the SATB file. How is this possible? | | Back to Top | |
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John Iafrate
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Date Joined Sep 2001
Total Posts : 504
| Posted 11/30/2006 8:48 PM (GMT -6) | | I have never used Expose, but I have had multiple extracted opened at the same time as well as the score being opened. I have had multiple extracted pages opened and placed in the dock. Every situation that has been named, I have been in and have never had the problem that is described happen to me. Mind you, the only thing that is different is that I have never used Expose.
John Iafrate | | Back to Top | |
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Gordon
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Date Joined May 1999
Total Posts : 236
| Posted 12/1/2006 3:32 AM (GMT -6) | | Like Finale, Sibelius has autosave and backup. However, Sibelius uses a feature whereby the autosave will save your file every now and again and give is number filename1, filename2, filename3, etc. It auto deletes when this number gets to about filename40, I think. If you get a power bump or shut down your computer, it asks if you want to recover the last version. A nice feature. This is separate from the backup, which can be timed as in Finale.
I use both apps, and I like to point out good Finale features on the Sibelius site too
Gordon
Computer: Dual 2 Ghz PowerPC G5, OS X Tiger, Finale 2007, Sibelius 4.1.5, Harmony Assistant 9.2.2a.
Audio Equip: Presonus Firebox, Korg X5DR, Yamaha PSR-230 Piano, MX602A Behringer mixer. | | Back to Top | |
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Stephen Siegel
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Date Joined Oct 2004
Total Posts : 827
| Posted 12/1/2006 12:32 PM (GMT -6) | | Peter:
I would, very emphatically, NOT trust Apple's Backup software. I had a disk crash and attempted to retrieve files that I had backed up to the .mac server and to an external disk using Backup. It didn't work.
Apple's tech support said: "Thank you for contacting Apple. If you have experienced issues with your directory structure, you may not be able to restore your previous archives in the normal fashion."
They went on to describe an elaborate procedure which also DID NOT work. They said they would get to back to me with a solution, but NOTHING they suggested EVER worked. Thus, in the one circumstance where having a backup is essential - - a damaged disk and directory, Backup proved utterly useless. What Backup did was to create an illusion of security which, as illusions tend to do, failed completely when stressed by reality.
As a result of previous experiences with hard drive failures, I believe in redundancy so, in addition to Backup, I had backed up - - in triplicate - - to tape using Dantz's Retrospect. However, two hours into reconstructing the catalog from tape backup set A, Retrospect announced it had encountered an unrecoverable tape error and aborted the the restore process!
I then started again with tape backup set B and during a 6 hour (rather tense) process was able to restore the disk completely. This memorable experience convinced me of the following:
1. NEVER use Apple's Backup software
2. Do not use tape as a backup medium.
Since hard drives are relatively inexpensive these days ($75 for a 250GB SATA drive from NewEgg.com) and infinitely more reliable than expensive ($1000 and up) tape mechanisms, I purchased a hotswap Sata drive enclosure, several drive trays and a SATA PCI card for my G5 (I could have purchased a hotswap Firewire enclosure instead but that would have been more expensive and slower). I have multiple hard drives and use two different backup applications. SuperDuper which makes a clone of the main hard drive and Retrospect which makes incremental backups (so that, unlike a clone - - which has only the most recent version of a file - - you can retrieve all previously backed up versions of a file). Total cost for 4 drives, housing and card was about $500. Not insignificant in itself, but trivial in comparison to the costs of losing data permanently. Also significant is the fact that these drives are only on for the time it takes to do a backup, so their life expectancy is probably many years longer than it would be if they were in constant use. (Contrast this with 50GB tapes that cost $50 and may fail after only a few uses in even a well-maintained tape mechanism.) All drives except the one currently used for backup are stored off-site in a bank vault - - which means that if the whole studio went up in smoke (and I survived), I would still have almost all my data.
Supposedly the next version of OSX, aka Leopard, will have a built in backup application called "Time Machine" that will create incremental backups. Given my experience with Apple's Backup, I would test this carefully before trusting it. Retrospect and SuperDuper are currently available have the significant advantage of actually providing data security rather than creating an illusion of it.
Stephen Siegel
Dual 2.5 GHz G5 Powermac
7GB RAM
OS 10.4.8
MOTU MIDI Time Piece
MOTU 2408 mk.3 audio interface
Logic 7.2.3
Digital Performer 4.6.1
Kurzweil K2600
Windows XP machine running GigastudioPost Edited (Stephen Siegel) : 12/1/2006 11:42:11 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | |
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jrthom1
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Date Joined Jan 1999
Total Posts : 217
| Posted 12/1/2006 1:07 PM (GMT -6) | |
Gordon said...Like Finale, Sibelius has autosave and backup. However, Sibelius uses a feature whereby the autosave will save your file every now and again and give is number filename1, filename2, filename3, etc. It auto deletes when this number gets to about filename40, I think. If you get a power bump or shut down your computer, it asks if you want to recover the last version. A nice feature. This is separate from the backup, which can be timed as in Finale. I use both apps, and I like to point out good Finale features on the Sibelius site too
I use the Windows version of Finale and have not had this issue come up with overwriting files and I do have autosaved files on. Is this purely a Mac issue?
I also use both Finale and Sibelius depending on the needs of my clients. The auto save feature of Sibelius is very good indeed.
James
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musicofnote
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Date Joined Jan 2001
Total Posts : 490
| Posted 12/2/2006 12:02 AM (GMT -6) | | Perfect time for thread drift.
Backup media.
We've had great success with ventilated double (S)ATA housings from Pyorgate. USB 2.0 and FW800. The problem is, the company - Pyrogate - doesn't make 4-bay enclosures and we're looking for a ventilated 4-bay FW enclosure. I've only found a couple of vendors on the web that offer these, but hate to put out the money they're asking without recommendations. Serious studio musicians often use these things, so this would seem like a great place to ask ...
Thanks in advance!
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jcraig1
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 842
| Posted 12/2/2006 9:49 AM (GMT -6) | | There is no one I know that does not use sequential saves to avoid exactly this sort of problem. By saving the file with a new name (01, 02, 03, etc) every so often, you can avoid losing too much work if this happens. How to protect against the bug is something else, but reverting to an earlier version is certainly preferable to losing everything.
It may be an extra step but will pay off in the end.
Not much consolation at this point tho'
Joel Craig
Craig Music Services
New York City/Florida
FIN 2006d, 2007,
OS 10.4.8
PowerMac G4 dual 867, 768 memory,
14" iBook G4 for travel,
Apple 23" Cinema HD Display,
Yamaha PSR-530, Edirol UM-2,
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