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Johan-v
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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 5:30 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello,

Anybody has as simple chart with info about what controls volume?
I'm loosing time just experimenting.

I find it a bit confusing.

There is human playback
There are expressions ( like forte, piano etc. )
There is a volume mixer
There is a studio view
There is a volume controls in the VST banks and effects setting
There is a volume setting in the aria player


Some things work only with softsynth and others work with VST.
And then there are the effects like reverb or the effects in the aria player.

Who does have a simple chart with what works?

Regards,

Johan
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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 7:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Leave volume controls in the mixer and the aria player alone. Set the basic relative volume of instruments in the ScoreManager (for example, lower the woodwinds and raise the string, maybe to ww: 85, strings to 110, the rest are basically okay.) Then use the dynamic expressions within the score. There should be no need to tinker with anything else.

One exception, if you get pops and other unwanted effects, consider lowering the base volume in the aria player from its default 70 to 60 or a bit lower.

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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 7:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello Ron,

Thanks for the help.
When I start a new file in finale I never have problems.
But now I have to import xml files from mac 2010 version to windows 2014 version.
It is as the program has an own opinion.

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Johan
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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 9:04 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What specific problems are you having? Can you post a sample score that demonstrates this?

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JABB 3 and Concert & Marching Band 2.
Steinway: basic. Garritan's Instant Orchestra.
Garritan World Instruments. TGTools Pro
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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 9:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ron, seeing your latest image, I want some of that fountain-of-youth tonic you've been taking.

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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 10:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Derrek said...
Ron, seeing your latest image, I want some of that fountain-of-youth tonic you've been taking.


You like that, eh? One of my former students posted it on FaceBook. It was taken in 1979 when I still had a (very) full head of hair.

Finale 2014d with Garritan Personal Orchestra 4.0.
JABB 3 and Concert & Marching Band 2.
Steinway: basic. Garritan's Instant Orchestra.
Garritan World Instruments. TGTools Pro
Windows 7 Home Edition, AMD FX-8100 8-Core Processor, 10 GB RAM
onboard Beats Audio sound card

violin and flamenco guitar, composer

Administrator, The Compose Forums
Specializing in contemporary art music

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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 11:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello Ron,

I think I found what is happening.
The settings in the score manager and the mixer are the same and one can use both of them.
But the aria player mixer fader also uses that setting but one can not use the mixer fader in the aria player.
Those faders settings will change to the settings of the mixer or score manager settings as soon as playback starts.
So what is the use of having a very nice mixer in the aria player if its settings are overridden at playback.

Using reverb is another story.
I have to use the aria mixer if I want to change the sent levels for the reverb as VST reverb does not work with the mixer.

Thanks for helping

Regards,

Johan
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  		   Posted 9/14/2015 11:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes the mixer settings in the aria player are over-ridden by the score manager and dynamic expressions. There are there for use by the standalone version of the player and are not intended to be used in the notation program.

Finale 2014d with Garritan Personal Orchestra 4.0.
JABB 3 and Concert & Marching Band 2.
Steinway: basic. Garritan's Instant Orchestra.
Garritan World Instruments. TGTools Pro
Windows 7 Home Edition, AMD FX-8100 8-Core Processor, 10 GB RAM
onboard Beats Audio sound card

violin and flamenco guitar, composer

Administrator, The Compose Forums
Specializing in contemporary art music

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