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Hector Pascal
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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 8:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,

In this keyboard music, the right hand is notated in the top staff and the left hand in the lower staff. (see picture)

I am now considering notating both hands on the lower staff using stems up/down etc. (see other picture)

Which is preferable? Any advice from experts/editors/publisher types on the forum would be appreciated!

Cheers,
HP.
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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 8:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I like Plan A -- two staves.

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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 9:13 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
as a pianist I prefer B, but in the upper staff you have to keep a treble clef, and hide the whole note rest.

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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 9:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As a pianist, I second Michel's opinion, including the upper staff clef and default rest.

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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 9:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would find A easier to sight read at the piano. With B, I might wonder if I should roll a bunch of stuff up to a chord in the same hand. (I would probably figure it out with a bit of trial.)

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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 10:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Bill, Michel and Vaughan. The next entry to appear on the upper staff requires a bass clef. Given that, do you still recommend I use the treble clef (thereby delaying the fore-warning of the upcoming clef?)
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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 10:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks ttw, it seems I have no consensus on the matter! I am a pianist myself and I think either would work, I just wonder if there is a "correct" approach, or a rule. I guess not....
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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 10:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've seen both. Usually, one way makes more sense. Depends on the piece.

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  		   Posted 11/21/2016 10:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Whatever you decide, use the same principle throughout the piece. If similar things are notated differently, the reader (or sight reader) will think something different is meant.

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  		   Posted 11/22/2016 7:14 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you use option B, the LH and RH stems must not be joined. You must horizontally separate the stems at the 1st and 3rd chords. As it stands now, the player cannot easily see which note(s) are meant for which hand.

If that is corrected, both options would be equally good to me.

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  		   Posted 11/22/2016 5:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ok, thanks! Here is the finished product for Option B.
PS: The right hand rest is hidden.
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  		   Posted 11/22/2016 8:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As a pianist, to me B is cluttered. I prefer A.

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  		   Posted 11/22/2016 10:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hector Pascal said...
Ok, thanks! Here is the finished product for Option B.
PS: The right hand rest is hidden.
Cheers,
HP.


That looks super clean and easy to read for me. I might prefer the D flat-E combination to be slightly tighter (I don't mind the same ledger line; it's not a collision if it's the same beat) but that's a minor point.

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