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Simon Rodwell
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| Posted 3/11/2010 8:04 AM (GMT -6) |   | | This is not strictly a Finale question but I know this forum gets partcipation from professional music engravers so here goes.
Can anyone recommend a Unicode font which includes an implementation of the music symbol set. At the university where I work we are trying to use music symbols within text paragraphs both for online and print use. We used to use a non-unicode font for much of our print work but the systems we now use require a unicode font to be used for both print and online.
The music symbols to which I refer are in the range 1D00 - 1D1FF in the Unicode 5.2 standard charts.
I'm no font or typographic expert but I hope there is someone out there who might be able to help me. The font must be a unicode one.
Many thanks
Simon Rodwell
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Dr. Wiggy
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| Posted 3/11/2010 9:12 AM (GMT -6) | | I had a discussion about Unicode musical characters on another forum. As far as I know, music fonts are divided into those used for notation, and those used for inserting music symbols into body text. Neither seems to use the Unicode music positions.
You may find a complete Unicode font that includes them, but I'd be surprised.
Why does the FONT need to be Unicode? I would have thought that the app and the OS would handle the encoding, and the font would be irrelevant. So, for example, I can use Type 1 fonts in a text document, and that text can be encoded as UTF-8, UTF-16, Windows, Mac OS Roman, ISO 2022 Japanese, or any other type of Unicode encoding.
If you do indeed need the a text font that includes musical characters in those glyph positions, then you may have to use a font editor to graft the symbols from your old font into the 1D00 - 1D1FF range of your Unicode text font.
PS. Have I seen your name on an OU forum..? But I've said too much...
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Michael Good
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| Posted 3/12/2010 1:09 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Gerd Castan's wonderful site (www.music-notation.info) lists one Unicode Western Musical Symbols font, Euterpe, available at:
http://www.openfontlibrary.org/media/files/Eimai/191
The forum software seems to be mangling the URL, so you may need to cut and paste vs. clicking on the link.
This is different from the project I was thinking of before. I believe that project never actually got around to releasing a Unicode Western Musical Symbols font. So this may be the only choice currently available, for better or worse.
Western Musical Symbols were added to Unicode in version 3.1. One problem is that these characters are in the part of Unicode that cannot be represented by a single 16-bit value. A lot of older software assumed Unicode meant single 16 bit characters. Unicode 3.1 was the first version which actually broke this mistaken assumption in older software.
No engraving program would use the Unicode musical symbols for sheet music production. That's not its purpose - it's for inline text, as Simon wants to do.
Michael Good
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jange
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| Posted 11/30/2016 5:14 AM (GMT -6) | | Reviving an old thread with new data...
Michael Good said...
No engraving program would use the Unicode musical symbols for sheet music production.
And I thought ... why not ?
It's not really possible to make Finale's document settings compatible with the unicode musical symbol area U+1d100,
so I have remapped some of them to match the Finale standard:
Euterpe, FreeSerif, Noto Sans Symbols, Unifont Upper, Symbola and Musica are now included in the free "Elbsound Music Font Package" v1.1.
Also Bravura is included which uses the unicode musical symbol area for symbol duplication.
AFAIK there are at least five more fonts that cover the designated unicode musical symbols area:
Quivira, November2, Code2001, Andron Mega Corpus Regular and Segoe UI Symbol (yes, Microsoft designed a music font!),
but only Quivira has a free license for font modifications and might be added to the font package later.
Attached is an example of the musical symbols from the free Google font "Noto Sans Symbols" rendered in Finale.
Unfortunately it's currently not possible to have a font fully Maestro-compatible AND to have access to the full unicode symbol area in Finale (Windows).
If you encode the font as a "Symbol" font (required for full compatibility with Maestro), Finale doesn't give access to the symbols above U+10000.
This can be seen for example in the commercial November2 font.
Jan
Elbsound.studioPost Edited (jange) : 11/30/2016 10:07:55 AM (GMT-6)
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jange
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| Posted 11/30/2016 7:53 AM (GMT -6) | | >So for instance, the G clef is accessible (in the selection dialog box) as slot #38 ('Maestro' range), #284 (U+E050 in SMuFL range), and #1597 (U+1D11E in Music Symbols range)
Hm, I haven't tried MacOS, but it isn't available at U+1D11E on Finale/Windows, neither 2014, 2014.5 nor v25.
I have seen no font that is encoded as "Symbol" font AND uses the slots 129-159 where the range above U+10000 is available in Finale (only in Finale of course, in other programs it is available in November2 and other fonts). Attached are screenshots of Finale 2014.5/Windows 10 of November2 and Aruvarb.
The slots are available in the symbol selection dialog, but the glyphs are not there (only the "standard" empty glyph is visible on all slots above U+10000).
The reason is probably that Finale uses the wrong cmap glyph subtable of the font: it uses a two-byte encoded table (up to U+FFFF), instead of the four-byte encoded.
I assume that Finale uses the subtable with Platform ID 0 and the Specific ID 3 (or Platform ID 3 with Specific ID 1?) which only includes links to the glyphs until FFFF.
It should have used the Specific ID 10 instead (=fourbyte encoded).
It is possible though to have access to U+10000, if the slots 129-159 are not used.
That's for example the case in Bravura.
Jan
Elbsound.studioPost Edited (jange) : 11/30/2016 7:28:17 AM (GMT-6)
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