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Germain
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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 2:56 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
hi everyone

Can anyone explain to me how can I enter all notes in one measure as in the attached image.

On system 1 in the bass clef staff how can I get all these notes of voice one in in a common time signature I cannot get the last beat of 32nd notes and 16th notes in at all what do we have to do in order to re-transcribe this rare sheet music as is? Also on the second system in the bass clef it started with a chord of whole notes. What do I have to do in order to enter the clef change and all the other notes in the same measures?

This piece of music has 7 pages and I believe that I will see many more difficulties like this in order pages.

Your help and explaination on this matter would be greatly appreciated

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:09 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Have you turned off "check for extra notes?" And, have you tried to enter them as tuples?

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ron

I didn't try to turned check for extra notes off. I have tried some tuplets and still can't get the same results

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How do we check for extra notes

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The group of 7 on beat 3 is a septuplet. Once that is done, the rest fits in. As far as the whole note, that is in one layer, and the other notes in another, with the clef change.

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think the descending notes on beat three in the bass clef in the first measure should be 32nd notes, not 16ths (but a 16th rest); then the rhythm works out, and there's no need for tuplets or turning off check for extra notes. You'll need to use layers or voices to get it to coexist on top of the G# half note.

Can't help you with the second measure.

Zuill posted while I was writing that. Can two layers be in different clefs?

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
zuill

The groupe of 7 notes you're talking about is including the rest isn't it?

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Germain said...
How do we check for extra notes


It is an option under both simple and speedy entry.

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As far as beat 3, 7 16ths would need to be a septuplet. I don't read minds, so I can't say that the composer had any thing else in mind.

As far as a clef change, sure, you can start a measure with a whole note and then have the notes in another layer change to a different clef. There should be a rest on beat 1, and then the clef change can happen on the "and" of 1, as in the example.

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Ron

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill

When I try to change clef it doesn't work even if I'm in layer 2. as soon as I entered the first eigth note it jump over the chord of whole notes in layer one What Am I doing wrong here

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 3:57 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey Germain

Try looking at this score.

Note the hidden rest in the bass clef of measure 2
I've left the brackets on to see the tuplet definitions more clearly.


Cheers...

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 6:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you so much Daz now I'm starting to see more clearly but I've got six more sheet to go

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 6:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
I think the descending notes on beat three in the bass clef in the first measure should be 32nd notes, not 16ths (but a 16th rest)...

This was my thought as well.

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  		   Posted 7/13/2016 7:04 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
At first I wasn't going to second guess the composer (or engraver). But in bar 2, obviously the third beam does not connect all the way through the first note, so now I'm more likely to suspect a missing third beam in bar 1. if there are 2 glaring mistakes in the first 2 measures, I'm guessing there are going to be many more, so there might be some editing to do as well, and the mistakes might cause more trouble than you would expect, or want to deal with.

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  		   Posted 7/15/2016 11:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill

Would you like me to send the whole sheet music to you perharps you could finalize it better than me and send me a finish copy. I can see lots of change key and time signature in the remander pages. I could send it to you through you email if you wish. PLease let me know.

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  		   Posted 7/15/2016 11:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Send me a PM with your email and I'll contact you. I'm not sure how much help I might be, but let's see.

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  		   Posted 7/16/2016 9:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill

did you received my pm to you?

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  		   Posted 7/16/2016 9:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No.

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  		   Posted 7/16/2016 1:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Zuill

Funny since I send it after your message here yesterday, I've just send a new message now hope this time it works. Let me know

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