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Quin
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| Posted 2/24/2005 10:39 PM (GMT -6) |   | I live in Japan and have set my Windows operating system to be able to read and write in Japanese (see http://greggman.com/japan/xp-ime/xp-ime.htm for a good walkthrough on how to do this-- don't worry, you don't need to change your keyboard settings like he suggests to make it work). If you've never done this, it's quite handy-- simply by pressing Ctrl-Shift, it lets you alternate between Japanese and English input. However, it works on a program-by-program basis, and many programs don't support it, or require special files to be loaded.
I use Finale 2001, and I can guarantee that 2001 does not support Japanese Fonts. Maybe a newer edition does, I don't know. Try setting your OS to input Japanese first, and then make sure that the font you use for lyrics is Japanese compatible, e.g. MS Mincho. If it doesn't work then, maybe Finale simply doesn't support it, even now.
But that would surprise me, as I know there is a Finale Japanese edition.
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RichardtheTech
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| Posted 2/25/2005 7:52 AM (GMT -6) | | | Thanks, Zuill. I opened the document you attached and, indeed, I can see the katakana. But when I tried what you suggested, I still got ???? instead of Japanese characters. I am running Windows XP Pro and Finale 2005a. Here is precisely what I did:
1. Open Finale
2. Create a new default document.
3. Click in a few notes in simple entry.
4. Click Document Options on the Options menu.
5. Click Fonts in the left-hand panel.
6. Next to the Lyrics font (Verse), click Set Font.
7. Under Font, select MS Mincho.
8. Under Script, select Japanese (some Japanese characters appeared in the Sample).
9. Click OK twice to close the Font window and the Document Options - Fonts window.
10. Set the IME for hiragana input.
11. Select the Lyrics tool.
12. Either click under a note or select Edit Lyrics from the Lyrics menu (I tried both ways).
13. Type "ko". (the hiragana ko appears in the IME editor)
14. Press Enter, and "?" appears in the score or the Edit Lyrics box.
15. Repeat steps 13 and 14 with "re" and another "?" appears.
I also tried the same to edit the lyrics in your file, but got the same result. I was very encouraged to see your score example, but I seem to still be doing something wrong. Can you see anything? Some other setting I missed? My file is attached. Thanks very much for your help.
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Zuill
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| Posted 2/25/2005 11:02 AM (GMT -6) | | Try the manual input method in the lyrics edit window. Choose insert symbol and choose it from the character set. I know this is time consuming, but the result is getting the characters you want. Or memorize the characters and use alt-0160 through alt-0220.
Zuill
P.S.: I checked back with Finale 2002 an I can get the same results there.
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Finale 2002b, 2003a, 2004b, 2005b, Win 2000 or XP Post Edited (Zuill) : 2/25/2005 9:12:42 PM GMT | | Back to Top | |
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Zuill
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| Posted 2/26/2005 1:34 AM (GMT -6) | | |
Okay. I'm quite limited in my knowledge of these things. I stumbled across this and I don't know that it's usable, but it seems to be a workaround for Japanese symbols. But there sure are a lot of them!
Basically, starting at alt-0224, bys entering entries side by side, I get these Japanese symbols. Are know there are those who can explain this, but maybe, until Unicode is supported in Finale, this can be of some value.
Example: alt-0224 creates a square bullet. But alt-0224 and alt-0224 produces the first symbol in the file.
alt-0224 and alt-0225 produces the next, and so forth. After these are exhausted (up to alt-0252), starting with alt-0225 and alt-0224, etc., produces a new series of symbols (up to alt-0252).
I'm sure experts will tell me what's going on and why. But I think, although quite tedious, Japanese can be done. I figure a document with all the possible symbols could be created to cut and paste into other documents.
Always trying to see what's there.
Zuill
P.S.: I got 290 symbols. I don't know if there are more. I have no idea what I'm doing, but it's fun, to say the least.
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Finale 2002b, 2003a, 2004b, 2005b, Win 2000 or XP Post Edited (Zuill) : 2/26/2005 7:53:23 AM GMT File Attachment : Japanese Characters.MUS 63KB (application/octet-stream) This file has been downloaded 481 time(s). | | Back to Top | |
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RichardtheTech
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| Posted 2/27/2005 3:27 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Zuill, you are nothing if not persistent--and you seem to have discovered the keys to the kingdom! What you are doing is entering double-byte characters, one byte at a time. This is a workable, though (as you say) tedious solution. If you are interested in seeing just how many characters there are in the MS Mincho font, try running the charmap utility from Run on the Start menu and choosing MS Mincho. Each one of these characters has, besides the Unicode encoding, a Japanese double-byte encoding called Shift-JIS, which Finale apparently supports. For example, the character あ (I hope you can see it) has the encoding 82A0 (hexadecimal). The first byte, 82, is 130 in decimal, and the second byte, A0, is 160 in decimal. So, if you enter Alt+0130, followed by Alt+0160, you get the あ symbol. As you can see in charmap, there are thousands of these symbols, but most lyrics can be handled with about 100 or so of the phonetic ones like this one (which is the equivalent of "a"). I still hope there is a way to hook up the Japanese input method editor (IME), which just lets you type roman characters and translates them automatically to Japanese. But in the meantime, this works! Thanks again for your help and persistence!
Richard Scott
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RichardtheTech
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| Posted 3/1/2005 10:35 PM (GMT -6) | |
I’m adding this information for anyone looking to enter Japanese lyrics in English Finale, who happens upon this topic before MakeMusic gets around to adding Japanese IME integration. After more experimentation, I have discovered that you can enter Japanese text in the freeware Japanese word processor JWPce (which I have used on Windows platforms from 95 to XP Pro) and copy and paste it into Finale lyric or text edit boxes (after choosing a Japanese font and script). This is because JWPce by default uses Shift-JIS encoding for placing material on the clipboard. You can obtain JWPce from the following Web site:
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~grosenth/c_main.html
It uses a somewhat different IME from Microsoft’s, but once you get used to it, it works quite well. Full documentation is included. This means you can do titles, etc., and click lyrics into a score in Japanese characters. An example score that I just did by that method is attached (in case you can’t tell, I’m a complete novice at Finale).
Richard Scott
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returno
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| Posted 3/6/2005 9:43 PM (GMT -6) | | Windows notepad works just as well. Simply type the text in there, copy, paste into the lyrics edit box, select text, switch fonts to a Japanese font (don't forget to select Japanese in the script pulldown). Click lyrics into score.
It is possible to mix Japanese and Chinese lyrics - even in the same line. Simply type the text into Windows notepad using the Microsoft IMEs. Copy/paste into the lyrics edit box. You'll see garbage. Select the text (difficult because each Finale thinks each two-byte character is two characters), change to an appropriate font (don't forget the script pulldown at the bottom!). Done: basic multilingual text. Of course if you have to edit the lyrics, you will have to do the same basic thing - type the corrected text into Windows notepad, copy, paste into lyrics edit window, etc.
If Finale supported Unicode and the IMEs in lyrics things would be a lot more fun! | | Back to Top | |
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Rebecca Oswald
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| Posted 3/26/2005 9:34 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi, I'm struggling with a similar issue. I use finale 2004, macintosh.
I want to use some basic marks to the vowels of my (roman alphabet) lyrics, to indicate long and short vowels. I found them in unicode but can't get them into finale. For example, "a" with a line over it should be unicode 0101, right? I tried adapting the instructions above for Japanese unicode, but to no avail. Any thoughts? | | Back to Top | |
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