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  		   Posted 6/17/2015 12:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Could anyone please help me with a set of parts I already created but am having trouble making use of the linked parts feature?

I created a set of parts from a full orchestra score in Finale 2012 last year. I am assuming that these are "linked parts" simply because when I go to create parts it lists them as "linked parts", however ... now that I have recently made many changes to the score (such as changing a few notes, and especially adding rehearsal letters) I am not seeing these changes reflected in the parts. How can I make the parts update without having to create a complete set of new parts? I spent a great deal of time tweaking the formatting on each part and I do not want to lose those changes.

Maybe the problem here is that I might have changed the file name of the parts, or the problem could be that the parts have been moved from their original locations to new folders. Is there any way to check if the part is indeed still linked? Or any way to re-link it???

THANKS for any helpful advice!
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  		   Posted 6/17/2015 12:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If your parts are in separate files, you must have extracted them. Once you do that, they are no longer linked. Am I right in assuming that you did extract them?

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  		   Posted 6/17/2015 2:03 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
yes, unfortunately it is looking like they are indeed extracted.
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  		   Posted 6/17/2015 4:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can still generate linked parts. They will incorporate changes you made to the score, but not to extracted parts. Document/Manage Parts/Generate Parts. Make sure you press OK at the end.

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  		   Posted 6/17/2015 6:01 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just to make things clear:

1) Linked parts are not separate documents, but rather included in the same document as the score.
To view the linked parts - and edit their layout - go to
Document menu > Edit Part > …

2) Extracted parts are based on the linked parts.
In Other Words:
You can not have extracted parts without also having linked parts.
If linked parts are not yet generated, Finale will automatically generate linked parts when you tell Finale to extract parts.

3) In many cases there is no need to extract parts.
You can use the linked parts instead - view the parts, and print them.

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  		   Posted 6/17/2015 7:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the clearer explanation, Peter. I found the linked parts under the Document menu. Unfortunately, I didn't know about Linked parts when I previously extracted the parts and made considerable layout changes to that set of parts. So now I am stuck with a separate set of parts in addition to the linked parts which unfortunately are not formatted in the layout I want. It looks like it will be a real lengthy job to get the layout how I want it (with page turns in convenient places), but I probably have no way to update those older parts that have already been extracted. I doubt there is any solution to this problem. But if anyone has any advice .... next time I just won't extract and will only work with the linked parts under the document menu.
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  		   Posted 6/18/2015 5:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Paul,

You could try using the ScoreMerger (see File>ScoreMerger...) to reassemble the extracted parts into a completely new document. I don't know whether or not this will preserve the layouts of the extracted parts in the new file, but it's worth trying.

Once you've reassembled the new file, you will have to re-make all the recent changes you made to your original document (the rehearsal markers and such). But this may be less work than redoing the layouts and page-turns in your original file's linked parts.

If you try this, let us know how it goes??

Good luck.

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  		   Posted 6/18/2015 6:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Paul,

I would take my original score and make linked parts. Then I would try to copy the layout from each of the extracted parts to the respective linked part. JW Copy Part Layout, v1.03 might do the job for you (http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/9-plug-ins-for-windows?start=20).

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  		   Posted 6/18/2015 9:23 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Unless you're going to be making substantial changes to your score, why spend anytime trying to link these parts? You could using Pattersons Transfer Layout plugin from your extracted parts to the linked parts, that would work. The only thing you gain from linked parts is that they will reflect any changes you make to the score. So ask yourself what kind of changes are you making. Then compare the amount of effort and time it would take to relink these parts to the amount of time it would take to add these revisions to your score and parts separately. Then do whatever is the best use of your time.

There's plenty of users who still extract parts, nothing wrong with it. For many situations, extracted parts work best, for other situations linked parts are more efficient.

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  		   Posted 6/18/2015 10:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Neither Score Merger nor JW Copy Part Layout will work in this case. Possibly the Patterson plugin would, but the decision about the approach to use should depend on the time it takes and the reliability of the outcome. Another possible method would be to copy the contents of the score (one staff at a time) to the already formatted extracted parts. I believe the formatting would remain the same but the contents would be replaced. Chances are, this would be time intensive as well.

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  		   Posted 6/18/2015 2:50 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you everyone. I especially liked Zuill's suggestion.
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  		   Posted 6/18/2015 4:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'd Lock Systems in the parts before I pasted the new material in. I'd also back up the old extracted parts and work with copies.

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  		   Posted 6/19/2015 4:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you have changed tempo markings and/or added rehearsal markings, you can select the score, select copy, got to each part in turn, use the Edit filter to select only that category of Expressions and paste into each part. This will replace tempo markings, add rehearsal figures and not change anything else. It may be worth locking the systems first just to be sure.

If you copy then, while everything is still selected regenerate multi measure rests, any that need breaking to show new tempi changes or rehearsal numbers will break.

You can do a quick visual check as you go through and make the other minor adjustments you referred to.

It shouldn't take too long. It'll be far quicker than generating a new set of parts, or pasting the parts back into a new score. Basically, having done what you've done, you will now need to spend some time. Often with this kind of job it really is a case of less haste more speed. if you mess around trying to find a quick way, things invariably will not work the way you hope or expect and it will take longer than you imagine. If you have a good secure set of parts, just make a big pot of coffee, clear the desk and get on with it.

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  		   Posted 6/21/2015 1:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Peter, that copy and edit filter sound like a good idea which I will try out!
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  		   Posted 6/21/2015 8:56 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OMG PETER!!! YOU ARE THE BEST! THAT SAVES SO MUCH TIME :-)
T H A N K Y O U ! ! !
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  		   Posted 6/23/2015 1:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I often get jobs where, after generating all parts and the first performance has happened, the composer wants to make significant changes. This has left me with a tool box of working processes which I fairly much take for granted now. In the circumstance you described, the copy filter would be my first option.

Many apps these days offer automation and various options for performing complex tasks (such as putting all the parts back into a score for example). While these often seem attractive, they are often not when the whole process is considered. There are always certain unknowns that we can fall foul of. For example, if you paste all the parts back into a score and then add the new tempi and rehearsal numbers, then re-extract the parts, will you retain or lose all the formatting of the original parts? I wouldn't take the risk. If you use your original score, you may retain some of the formatting, but perhaps not have any cues entered... and so on.

While the job may seem daunting, I much prefer the security of working with what I already have and getting on with it.

Glad it worked for you

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  		   Posted 6/23/2015 2:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks again, Peter. Yes, that did work. Still, I am having so many problems with other issues, so you may see me writing here more often ...
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