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Motet
Isorhythmic

Date Joined Dec 2002
Total Posts : 12849

Posted 11/18/2016 1:46 AM (GMT -6)

Re whole note tremolos, the reason the vanilla tremolos don't work on whole notes is that "stem side" for a whole note at a given staff position is just the opposite of what it would be if the note had a stem! You can change Position to "Auto Note/Stem Side" and that seems to fix it, but horizontally it's way off on whole notes so you need a whole-note-only version anyway.

Here is what I use, which seems to give more reasonable defaults. I only have a whole-note version of the triple slash.

Finale 2014.5, 2011b, 2005, TGTools
Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart

OCTO.
The radical answers.

Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 2659

Posted 11/18/2016 2:24 AM (GMT -6)

jange said...
OCTO, you apply the plugin to a selected area. This can be done note-wise, measure-wise or on the full document.
If you put the plugin also on keyboard short cut, then you only need to call the short cut and enter return.
The plugin will always use the last settings. So even if you call it measure-wise it's just two keyboard hits.

If you select an articulation/expression that mimics the quarter-tone style, you don't even notice that it's not a real accidental.
For example something like this (the first one is unlinked from the part):

In that case you can apply it at the very end as they are not really distracting.

Here is another demo of entering three measures with quarter-tone accidentals using expressions assigned to metatools.
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEaBfQCVg4c
In this demo the expressions are not deleted afterwards, but only hidden, so that they still do playback.
AFAIK it's not possible to handle quarter-tone playback directly through articulations and HP.
The only ways I know are through expressions or by manipulating the MIDI.
The disadvantage of expressions is that they need a "Set to 0" on the next non-modified note.
The disadvantage of MIDI manipulation in Finale is that it is more difficult to delete.

Jan

A question, how do you apply that plugin for one note inside of a chord? I don't see that option.
Still I believe the script is better option. I was using quarter-tones in my music since 1998, so I have a great fight-experience with them in Finale.

Finale 2014.5 • OS X: Yosemite, MPB 15', 16GB RAM

Post Edited (OCTO.) : 11/18/2016 1:29:48 AM (GMT-6)

jange
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Date Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts : 53

Posted 11/18/2016 5:48 PM (GMT -6)

OCTO, you can see the plugin as a collection of more than 200 of your scripts (one for each accidental of each supported font) with slightly more options.

For example if you are working with Maestro font, you don't even have access to a unified quarter-tone and standard accidental font.
So the first thing you usually need is to select a new key sig/accidental font and re-setup all document options for the new font.
That is about 20 settings you need to edit in Finale's document options. And usually it takes some time to find out the best settings.
The plugin updates the settings for the new font so that it will best match the accidental/key sig settings of the current document (i.e. without changing the spacing more than necessary).

The accidental plugin also takes into account:
- horizontal offset: i.e. the quarter-tone accidental might need to move slightly to the left if it is a note with ledger lines in order not to collide and it should also have exactly the same position as the standard accidental which also might require an extra offset if the glyph boundaries are not identical (2 extra horizontal offsets are included per accidental/font)
- vertical offsets: some fonts even need a slight vertical correction to match standard and quarter-tone accidental (1 extra offset is included)
- an extra horizontal offset can also be added to the standard accidentals on stafflines/ledger lines
- note size: some fonts need different sizes for standard and quarter-tone accidentals, so the font sizes are included for each accidental (required e.g. for Maestro)
- playback capability
- the plugin includes 15 free fonts with microtonal accidentals
- the plugin can also convert an existing standard and/or quarter-tone score to a new accidental font or quarter-tone style without the need of any extra articulations or expressions:
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqTwIBGmRx4

Quarter-tone accidentals in chords can also be handled automatically. No special options are needed for that in the dialog.
You only need to makes sure that if you have standard accidentals AND quarter-tone accidentals or flattened AND sharpened accidentals of the same kind in one chord you need to use different voices (for articulations/expressions) or layers (for expressions only).
Here is an example of a chord with 4 notes and 4 accidentals:
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeCyF0lHl_k
I must admit due to the accidental stacking, the articulations don't look very clear before applying the plugin - though it's possible to decipher them.
If you want it more clear, you can also do it a bit similar to your script and run the plugin on each note of the chord individually:
i.e. write first note of the chord with accidental/articulation or expression, run plugin, add second note with accidental/art/exp, run plugin, etc.

But reminding me of chords and quarter-tone accidentals was a good idea: maybe I should simplify the use by adding an extra option which merges chords with 3 or more notes on different layers/voices to layer 1/voice 1 after the accidental transformation.
Another idea that comes to mind is that the plugin could automatically extract Finale scripts from its font database for the selected accidental font settings - similar to yours but also including font size, horizontal and vertical offset.
So if a user needed a Finale script for an individual accidental, it would be also available.

Jan
elbsound.studio

OCTO.
The radical answers.

Date Joined Jul 2008
Total Posts : 2659

Posted 11/19/2016 4:58 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks.

Finale 2014.5 • OS X: Yosemite, MPB 15', 16GB RAM

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