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   Posted 8/31/2014 9:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I currently am using Finale 2014 and trying to use metatools, but absolutely nothing happens.
for example, I want to add an articulation to notes, so i am choosing the articulation box at the top, then holding down the A key in order to insert an accent. Nothing happens.
Same with expression metatools - nothing. Can anyone tell me why this might be happening?
thanks so much!
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   Posted 8/31/2014 10:23 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
While you are pressing the "A" key I assume you are clicking with the mouse on the note where you want the accent to go, right?


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   Posted 8/31/2014 10:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Ruth,

When you choose the Articulation Tool and then click on a note in your score, the Articulation Selection dialog box, as shown below, should pop up.  Notice the character in the upper right hand corner of the box for a given articulation.  This is the currently defined metatool that can be used to enter that articulation.  If there are no letters/numbers in the upper right hand corner of the box, then no metatool is defined for that articulation.  This could be because the articulation library loaded for the document did not contain metatool definitions, or for whatever reason, there are no metatools assigned to certain articulations.  If the dialog box is completely empty, then no articulation library has been loaded, not very likely, but possible.  A metatool can be any letter A-Z or digit 0-9.  To assign a metatool to any articulation, press SHIFT-letter/number, and the Articulation Selection dialog box will appear.  Then double click on the articulation you want that letter/number to be assigned to.  With a metatool letter/number assigned, then you can hold that letter number down and single click on a note to assign that articulation to the note.  You can also drag a box around several notes while holding down the metatool letter/number to assign the articulation to more than one note at a time.


The Expression Selection dialog box works in the same manner, with one notable addition.  You can easily assign metatool letters/numbers with the dialog box open.  Just SHIFT-letter/number with the appropriate expression box selected and the metatool will be assigned.  This behavior unfortunately does not work with the Articulation dialog box.

Why not, MM?  Is this another omission that needs to be corrected?  Surely it has been brought to your attention before.


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   Posted 8/31/2014 10:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you. ....but this is exactly what i did. Nothing happens.


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   Posted 8/31/2014 10:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes Ron, that is exactly what i am doing.


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   Posted 8/31/2014 10:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When you open the articulation box, do you see the articulations?


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   Posted 8/31/2014 10:56 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ruth,
Do the metatools work in other tools? Expressions, for example?

Are you in the same layer as the note you want to articulate?

Have you restarted the computer? Sometimes there is a "virtual stuck key" that can cause things to misbehave. Restarting (or, logging out and logging back in) can reset the system.



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   Posted 8/31/2014 10:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Ruth,

Then I suspect that at least the A is not assigned to any articulation.  We can easily tell if you post your recalcitrant document using the attachment manager.  You can tell yourself, if you follow my instructions in my previous post.



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   Posted 8/31/2014 11:17 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hold down the A, then click.


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   Posted 8/31/2014 11:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
While holding down the A, click.  Ron already said this.


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   Posted 8/31/2014 12:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This happened to me a couple of months ago. I think the problem was the result of accidentally leaving the Finale program open during a Windows update. All of a sudden apply meta-tools stopped working and I've used them for years. Had to do an uninstall/reinstall including manual removal of registry files. Make Music can give you detailed instructions on how to do this.


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   Posted 8/31/2014 12:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't doubt what you are saying, but I usually leave F2014c open all the time, and my Win7 updates are set to automatically download and install.  Sometimes it does an auto-reboot after an update.  I've never had the metatools to stop working.  That fix sounds over-cooked to me!


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   Posted 8/31/2014 1:59 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah, stuck key problem, maybe. Unprogrammed key stuck?


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   Posted 8/31/2014 3:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since we don't have a sample file from Ruth, I am providing a sample file for Ruth. If metatools work in this file, then the other files are missing metatool assignments or libraries. If it doesn't work, it's either a system issue or user misunderstanding about how to use metatools.

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   Posted 8/31/2014 4:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Charles,

I was just guessing. They suggested that it might have been caused by a Windows update but couldn't say for sure (I just did a large one yesterday and eveything is fine).
All I know is that apply meta-tools was working and all of a sudden quit (both articulations and expressions). A re-boot will usually fix these kind of problems but not this time.
Though maybe "overcooked", it was the only solution that worked!

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   Posted 8/31/2014 4:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Often deleting and regenerating the Finale.ini file does the trick under these circumstances. I've only had to do this once, that I recall.

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   Posted 8/31/2014 7:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill,

That was the first thing tech-support had me try.

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   Posted 10/24/2014 12:07 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ruth,

I don't know if you're still experiencing this problem or not, but I had the same issue earlier this week, and have found the solution. I'll post it here, in case you're still looking for help.

In Windows 8, disable the touchpad delay feature. From the start menu, select the settings charm. From there, select "change pc settings", then "mouse and touchpad". Change the touchpad setting to "No Delay (always on)".

So, that is the operating system issue. Additionally, I found that my Dell laptop *also* has a similar setting that must be disabled. To solve this, I went to Control Panel, and then "Hardware and Sound". Under the "Devices and Printers" area, selected "Mouse". Selected "Dell Touchpad", then "Click to change Dell touchpad settings", then turned the "palm rejection" feature off.

I imagine you've gotten to the bottom of this by now, as your original post was from the end of August, but if you're still looking for help, I hope this works.

Good luck!
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   Posted 10/9/2016 3:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I had same METATOOLS issue. NOT WORKING New DELL COM ...The I just decided to use a USB MOUSE.....METATOOLS are working! :p
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