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Ron.
Composer
      
Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 8828
| Posted 8/17/2016 6:34 AM (GMT -6) |   | In the modest forum that Michel & I run, we periodically ban certain IP addresses and it has never impacted the rest of the community. Users can also post attachments, create auto signatures, receive email notifications, "like" and "unlike" posts, quote each other's posts, admin can organize topics, etc--all the things one would expect on a forum.
In other words, I am very, very discouraged by MM's decision to replace this forum with one that can do none of those things. We're amateurs and can do it--they are supposed to be professionals.
From my experience so far--the new forum is next to useless and I will not be using it.
Finale 2014.5
GPO5, JaBB3, GIO, COMB2, GWI, GIFF, Steinway Basic.
Windows 7; 10 GB RAM.
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HaraldS
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 1999
Total Posts : 310
| Posted 8/20/2016 4:28 AM (GMT -6) | | Although the general idea of the feature request forum is a good one, it's pretty useless if it gets cluttered up by off-topic questions. Many users don't seem to understand its purpose.
I'm not sure if MM understands that if a forum has a specific target (which they even wrote down in the "Feature request house roules"), you can't leave a forum alone and hope everything goes well. You have to take care and delete off-topic questions, otherwise the forum's target won't be reached. Here in the old forums, we don't have that problem, the old forums aren't dedicated to such a specific aim.
Harald
Finale 3.0-2014.5, german edition, Windows 7
lots of hardware synths/keys, Cubase 7 / trombonist, pianist, conductor / Recklinghausen, Germany | | Back to Top | |
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Flint
silly bear
Date Joined Oct 2006
Total Posts : 3151
| Posted 8/20/2016 6:18 PM (GMT -6) | | KennethKen said...There should also be more guidance for people posting to such at specific board. Instead of having a big text box titled "Details", there shold be multiple text boxes with very direct titles. For example: <OL> * "What is it that you want to do in Finale?" * "What is the biggest challenge to achieving this goal in Finale?" * "Do you have any recommendations for how we can make your goal easier to achieve in Finale? Be as specific as you like." * "In what way will this added functionality help you or others? </OL> Even with these 4 simple questions (the first 3 should be mandatory) it will be much easier for MM and other forum users to sift through and understand each feature request. Novice users are less likely to post "How-do-I-add-a-measure" questions since the titles will remind them that this board is for user feedback (not MM feedback). And even if a novice does post an inappropriate question everyone who reads the first line (e.g., I want to transpose a horn part.") will know that it's probably a mis-categorized post.
I like the idea, but history shows us that making things idiot-proof just makes idiots find something else to idiot-up.
woodwind specialist and doubler - Finale 2014d using Speedy Entry - no capslock, GPO 4 Full, Garritan Jazz & Big Band 3, Garritan Concert and Marching Band 2, Windows 10, 12GB RAM, frequently RTFM.
If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read
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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
Polymathist
Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883
| Posted 8/20/2016 6:52 PM (GMT -6) | | Ron. said...
If all the experienced users who have kept this forum going for so long boycott the new one until basic issues that we have brought up are addressed then maybe, just maybe, someone will pay attention.
I hopeful that those in charge understand how helpful to MakeMusic that this user forum really is.
But, maybe we will see a slow death from ignorance.
Finale 2010b, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5 TGTools Pro, Patterson plugins, JW plugins (current for each Finale Instalation)
Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.4.1, Write Score Sound Sets, TMT Publisher Bundle Plugins, Bob Zawalich plugins, Dolet 6.6
Print Music 2004, 2010a, 2011a, 2014a
Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3, Notion 4, [Notion 5, (bought but not installed)update finally installed]
Pro Tools 9.5, Reaper
Kontakt 5
GPO4, GPO5, World Instruments
SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro, PhotoScore Ultimate 6 & 7 & 8.04 ( 7 has some utility----best of those available, 8 has some issues that need fixing)
M-Audio "Oxygen 25" Midi input keyboard (recent addition 2014)
Systems (5) // Windows XP Pro (32bit), 2@ Windows 7 Pro, 8.1 Pro, Windows 10 64 bit, 4GB - 16GB RAM
Paper & Pencil
BMus, MM (Musicology) | | Back to Top | |
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HaraldS
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 1999
Total Posts : 310
| Posted 8/20/2016 7:35 PM (GMT -6) | | Ron. said...
If all the experienced users who have kept this forum going for so long boycott the new one until basic issues that we have brought up are addressed then maybe, just maybe, someone will pay attention.
Well, your suggestion would instead keep the traffic to this old rusty out-of-date dotNetBB forum...and thus could be interpreted as that we users like to stick to that. As far as I'm concerned, that would be false. Even if the new forums are more a stumble than a step into the right direction, it's still the right direction. Boycotting doesn't make clear what you want, only using makes that clear, IMHO.
Harald
Finale 3.0-2014.5, german edition, Windows 7
lots of hardware synths/keys, Cubase 7 / trombonist, pianist, conductor / Recklinghausen, Germany | | Back to Top | |
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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
Polymathist
Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883
| Posted 8/20/2016 7:40 PM (GMT -6) | | HaraldS said...Ron. said...
If all the experienced users who have kept this forum going for so long boycott the new one until basic issues that we have brought up are addressed then maybe, just maybe, someone will pay attention. Well, your suggestion would instead keep the traffic to this old rusty out-of-date dotNetBB forum...and thus could be interpreted as that we users like to stick to that. As far as I'm concerned, that would be false. Even if the new forums are more a stumble than a step into the right direction, it's still the right direction. Boycotting doesn't make clear what you want, only using makes that clear, IMHO. Harald
There have been many evolutionary dead ends! This may be one unless there is a great deal of improvement.
Finale 2010b, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5 TGTools Pro, Patterson plugins, JW plugins (current for each Finale Instalation)
Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.4.1, Write Score Sound Sets, TMT Publisher Bundle Plugins, Bob Zawalich plugins, Dolet 6.6
Print Music 2004, 2010a, 2011a, 2014a
Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3, Notion 4, [Notion 5, (bought but not installed)update finally installed]
Pro Tools 9.5, Reaper
Kontakt 5
GPO4, GPO5, World Instruments
SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro, PhotoScore Ultimate 6 & 7 & 8.04 ( 7 has some utility----best of those available, 8 has some issues that need fixing)
M-Audio "Oxygen 25" Midi input keyboard (recent addition 2014)
Systems (5) // Windows XP Pro (32bit), 2@ Windows 7 Pro, 8.1 Pro, Windows 10 64 bit, 4GB - 16GB RAM
Paper & Pencil
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SysExJohn
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts : 57
| Posted 8/22/2016 4:23 AM (GMT -6) | | HaraldS said...
Well, your suggestion would instead keep the traffic to this old rusty out-of-date dotNetBB forum...and thus could be interpreted as that we users like to stick to that. As far as I'm concerned, that would be false. Even if the new forums are more a stumble than a step into the right direction, it's still the right direction. Boycotting doesn't make clear what you want, only using makes that clear, IMHO.
Harald
[rant]
Just because something is old and rusty doesn't necessarily mean that it no longer functions perfectly adequately.
Neither does newness equate with quality.
Wouldn't you agree?
I notice that the 'new', new Garritan forum has more questions regarding its use within Finale than anything else. All unanswered.
The people who (used to) frequent the Northern Sounds forum (where Gary started to talk to users) seem to have decided to ignore it.
The main Garritan web site no longer directs one to the 'old', new Garritan forum.
This all is very reminiscent of the MMA (MIDI Manufacturers Association) decision to expunge its old forum and replace it with a new, all singing and dancing forum.
With the demise of the old forum they threw away many years of useful exchange of information between users and developers.
The marketing concept was to persuade more users to get involved. The result seems to have been the exact opposite.
[/rant]
John Garside.
at MIDI-tutor.proboards.com
Finale 2012c, Sonar 7 PE, XGworks.
Garritan GPO4, JABB, COMB, IO, Organs, Steinway, Harps + GPO5.
E-MU 1616m PCI and Cardbus x 2.
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Mike Rosen
himself
Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 8/22/2016 9:02 AM (GMT -6) | | | |
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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
Polymathist
Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883
| Posted 8/22/2016 9:19 AM (GMT -6) | | Does not work for me. I get Zuill's results, and when you click details it only show's myself and visitor (two total) this is not the correct behavior. It's broken.....(even clearing the browser) at least for me.
Finale 2010b, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5 TGTools Pro, Patterson plugins, JW plugins (current for each Finale Instalation)
Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.4.1, Write Score Sound Sets, TMT Publisher Bundle Plugins, Bob Zawalich plugins, Dolet 6.6
Print Music 2004, 2010a, 2011a, 2014a
Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3, Notion 4, [Notion 5, (bought but not installed)update finally installed]
Pro Tools 9.5, Reaper
Kontakt 5
GPO4, GPO5, World Instruments
SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro, PhotoScore Ultimate 6 & 7 & 8.04 ( 7 has some utility----best of those available, 8 has some issues that need fixing)
M-Audio "Oxygen 25" Midi input keyboard (recent addition 2014)
Systems (5) // Windows XP Pro (32bit), 2@ Windows 7 Pro, 8.1 Pro, Windows 10 64 bit, 4GB - 16GB RAM
Paper & Pencil
BMus, MM (Musicology)
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