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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 6/20/2016 1:15 PM (GMT -6) |   | I call BS. There is no way to prevent copying a piece of music, just as there is no way to prevent copying literature, art, or anything else. Are they going to demand the removal of all OCR programming, text and music? Change the programming for phones and scanners so that they will only take pictures of faces? What if it's the face of the Mona Lisa? Will that not work?
Once the technological genie is out of the lamp, he can't be forced back in. Maybe it's time to revisit the copyright laws, rather than try to force their application beyond the original purpose.
Never pass a law that you can't enforce.
Of a greater concern is the subscription paradigm for the "new" SmartMusic. $400 a year, for 3 teachers and 50 students. What about smaller schools? Will Finale follow this plan on the next version?
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Motet
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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
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| Posted 6/20/2016 6:06 PM (GMT -6) | | Motet said...
This does seem like a mistake. There's plenty of public-domain music waiting to be scanned.
+1
Here I was looking forward to having public domain pdf's to arrange with relative ease.
Make Music needs to revisit this.
If not why do we need to upgrade to the next version?
Nothing earth shattering with out this feature.
I'll save my money for Dorico!!!
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 6/20/2016 9:00 PM (GMT -6) | | Even if, according to the blog, PDF import and scanning are removed from within future Finale versions, there are other ways to skin the proverbial cat. SmartScore X2 Pro, the flagship program from MusiTek, the providers of the lite version of the scanning package currently bundled in Finale, provides for PDF scanning, amomg others. It is standalone, not relying on Finale at all. It can output to MusicXML which can then be imported into Finale. PhotoScore Ultimate, previously mentioned, is the flagship product from Neuratron, and as mentioned, has the same functionality. There is actually no need for a built-in scanning functionality in Finale. For that matter, the scanning process can be completely independent from the music recognition process. So long as the scanning package can process a source document, be it an original sheet of music, or a PDF file, then produce output that can be imported into the music recognition package, which processes the scanned image and produces a MusicXML output, that can in turn be imported into Finale, there is no needfor Finale to be burdened with a so called scanning functionality. It is only a perceived convenience. The legacy, but still quite viable program SharpEye comes to mind as an example. It cannot as of itself process PDF's, but if the PDF can be converted to a BMP or TIF, then it can be used as input.
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Mike Rosen
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sjhands
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| Posted 6/21/2016 4:51 AM (GMT -6) | | Lucky I upgraded to 2014.5 recently - I'm guessing it will be my last...
To no longer improve certain functionality is one thing, but to remove it entirely, especially after just announcing an improvement to it, leaves me speechless.
While it's usefulness is questionable, in some cases it has saved me time without having to spend a large sum of money on a separate program that may or may not work any better. Removing it from Finale is not going to solve any suggested copyright issues, since it's simply a cut-down version of another program you can buy anyway - among others. So what exactly is being stopped by removing it (other than potential upgrades and sales...)?
Not to mention the many legitimate uses for the functionality.
MM - please reconsider what appears to be rash decision. Let the copyright holders go after those who infringe their rights - don't punish those who use it legitimately.
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Dr. Wiggy
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Flint
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| Posted 6/21/2016 9:42 AM (GMT -6) | | sjhands said...
MM - please reconsider what appears to be rash decision. Let the copyright holders go after those who infringe their rights - don't punish those who use it legitimately.
Which is a better target for an aggrieved party to sue, thousands of single users, or the company that provides the software to steal copyrighted works?
I'm betting that there's a legal issue that MM wants to rid itself of...
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Mike Rosen
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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
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| Posted 6/21/2016 10:29 AM (GMT -6) | | Flint said...sjhands said...
MM - please reconsider what appears to be rash decision. Let the copyright holders go after those who infringe their rights - don't punish those who use it legitimately.
Which is a better target for an aggrieved party to sue, thousands of single users, or the company that provides the software to steal copyrighted works? I'm betting that there's a legal issue that MM wants to rid itself of...
Might very well be the case, but with only 64 bit, loading sounds faster, and Transposed Instrument entry for the next offering how many of us will really want to upgrade this go round anyway.
Like I said above.....might as well save the upgrade cost for the next version of Finale and just purchase Dorico.
And, Mike.
I was looking forward to saving steps that I already use as you'll note in my signature.
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sjhands
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| Posted 6/21/2016 4:42 PM (GMT -6) | | Flint said...
Which is a better target for an aggrieved party to sue, thousands of single users, or the company that provides the software to steal copyrighted works?
I'm betting that there's a legal issue that MM wants to rid itself of...
I'm not sure which lawyer is giving them advice, but I hope they tell MM to stop selling Finale, since I can use that to manually input copyrighted works and print them, photocopy them, share them. Better yet, maybe Microsoft should stop selling Windows since it's provides the OS which facilitates breaching of copyright across many industries and so on...
Motet said...
I don't get the righteous indignation. Just use the third-party program. The built-in lite version didn't work well, anyway, so there's nothing lost.
Unfortunately US$200 is a lot of money (over AUS$400) to spend on something I only use occasionally, and for my purposes the lite version works well enough to not be able to justify the cost. | | Back to Top | |
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Motet
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| Posted 6/21/2016 6:30 PM (GMT -6) | | You can always keep whatever Finale version you have now to scan occasionally, save the file, and open it with a newer version of Finale. Pretend the old one is a free scanning program. If you're only doing it occasionally, the extra step shouldn't be onerous.
I agree, given what we know, MM's decision doesn't seem to make sense. I don't see the vendors of text OCR getting in trouble from authors or book publishers. But losing the built-in "lite" scanning doesn't seem like a great loss.
The band composer has a point that MM should honor the "don't print/save" PDF attribute to mean "don't import to Finale." I wonder why they didn't. But I think he overestimates the ease with which one of his perusal scores could be turned into a set of parts. Most people would be happy to spend a couple hundred bucks or whatever it costs rather than spend many, many hours fixing the scan errors and formatting, printing, and binding a dozen or two parts. And schools--I'm guessing his main customers--are unlikely to flout the law like that.
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