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bcarwell
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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 12:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I imported a Layer 2 Trumpet 2 line into my Layer 1 Trumpet 1 staff.

Now I have double accidentals, e.g. wherever a B flat was occurring at the same time for Trumpet 1 and 2 I now
have TWO flat signs when I only need one.

How do I get rid of them (hopefully without having to go to each occurrence and erase just one of them) ?

Bob
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I should have been more clear. A trumpet line in Layer 2 was exported from Staff 2 into Staff 1 which has a pre-existing trumpet line in Layer 1.

When I view the results of combining the two in Staff 1 I see both trumpet lines just fine.

But where they are both playing the same note simultaneously (like a B flat) I see TWO flat signs, one
for each trumpet (presumably one coming from the Layer 1 line and one from the Layer 2 line). I did the note stems correctly though- Layer 1 going up and
Layer 2 going down.

How do I get rid of the extra redundant accidentals when they occur.

Bob
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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 1:17 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Are the flats positioned side-by-side or do they overlay one another? If they're overlayed they are overlayed perfectly, and a printout will show only one flat.

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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 1:57 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
They are side-by-side.

Bob
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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 2:44 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It sounds like you are not using 2014, as the behavior is different starting in 2014 (including 2014.5). Which version do you have?

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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 3:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It looks like you're using Finale 2014, right? I was able to duplicate the scenario by "freezing" the accidentals. I think you can fix this by downloading and installing the JW Change plugin and using that to "unfreeze" the accidentals. Go here to download:

www.finaletips.nu/index.php/download/category/9-plug-ins-for-windows

open the plugin, go to the Accidentals pane, then to freeze and select "No". Run it on the entire file. I think that will fix things.

N.

OSX 10.8.5
Finale 2011c, 2012c for production work
Finale 2014.5

TgTools, Patterson Plugins, JW Change and Staff Polyphony, QuicKeys 4
Mac Mini 2.4 Ghz Intel, 8GB RAM
New Belgium Fat Tire Ale

• "It should be the emigrated Loch Ness." (to the basses)
• "We do it Wiener Schule kind of poco apostrophe."
• "Could I see lead being sacrificed on the paper?"

–conductor Leif Segerstam

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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 3:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No, I'm in Finale 2012 c.r13

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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 3:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
N- When I run the JW Instrument Change plug-in I do not see an "Accidentals" pane. For "Category" selections all I see is:
Dynamics
Tempo Marks
Expressive text
Technique
Rehearsal Marks
Misc
Tempo alteration
Tempo marks

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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 5:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
bcarwell said...
N- When I run the JW Instrument Change plug-in…


Not "Instrument Change", but "Change". It's called "JW Change". You've got the wrong one.

N.

OSX 10.8.5
Finale 2011c, 2012c for production work
Finale 2014.5

TgTools, Patterson Plugins, JW Change and Staff Polyphony, QuicKeys 4
Mac Mini 2.4 Ghz Intel, 8GB RAM
New Belgium Fat Tire Ale

• "It should be the emigrated Loch Ness." (to the basses)
• "We do it Wiener Schule kind of poco apostrophe."
• "Could I see lead being sacrificed on the paper?"

–conductor Leif Segerstam

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  		   Posted 2/8/2016 6:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For 2012, uncheck Use Cross-Layer Accidental Positioning in Document Options/Accidentals. This is a global setting. If you don't want that globally, then move the accidental in the shifted layer manually with Special Tools. Jari's plugin doesn't over-ride that Document Option.

Zuill

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  		   Posted 3/7/2016 6:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Or you could hide the 'extra' accidental via SHIFT-8 in Speedy Entry (it doesn't matter which layer as Finale will adjust the positioning regardless) - I've been on 2014 for quite a while now, but I've used this method for years so I'm pretty sure it must have existed in 2012.

Desktop PC: Windows XP SP3, 4GB [3GB], Finale 2012c, Finale 2014c, Cubase SX3; iMac: 32GB, Finale 2014c, Logic Pro X; Laptop: Windows 8.1, 8GB, Finale 2014c

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