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TTBashore
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| Posted 3/29/2002 12:04 PM (GMT -6) |   |
I know this has been discussed, but there are serious problems with creating pdf files from Finale 2002 in Windows XP. However, I noticed something that I hadn't seen brought up before. If I set my printer to Distiller, turn off the option "Do not send fonts to Distiller," and try to export a selection as an eps file (selecting Include Fonts) I get the following error message from Distiller:
When you create a postscript file you have to send the host fonts. Please go to the Acrobat Distiller printer properties, "Adobe pdf settings" page and turn OFF the option "Do not send fonts to Distiller."
I assume that Distiller is not receiving the fonts so it thinks that option is checked even though it is not. Maybe the problem is that Finale is not sending the fonts correctly. Any ideas Gary or CodaTech?
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GTom
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Date Joined May 2001
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| Posted 3/29/2002 7:24 PM (GMT -6) | |
Anon:
I'm not sure about the order in which you're working—what happens if you create the EPS file, then open Distiller, do File> Open, select EPS for Files of Type: and navigate to the EPS file?
I'll tell you what works and what doesn't work for me, with the Microsoft Publisher Imagesetter set as the default printer:
• Compiling a PostScript listing and running that through Distiller is successful.
• Creating an EPS file and running that through Distiller is successful.
• Printing to the Acrobat PDFWriter is successful—with this qualification: Certain things might not make it into the PDF, but it's random. For example, while I use the Times font for all of my expressions, one or two expressions might not make it into the PDF even though all the others do.
• Printing to Distiller takes a really long time and results only in a failure message from Distiller.
I really hate that things are so stupid, and I still insist that Illustrator 9.0.2 is at least partly to blame. My two PCs are set up identically except that one of them has no Adobe apps but Acrobat loaded. That machine allows me to use my HP 5000 as the default printer and everything works fine. (On this machine, I have to print to the PCL driver from Finale, otherwise no music characters print.)
I'll be upgrading to Illustrator 10 soon, and I'll be very curious to see what might happen with that...
Good luck.
Gary
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Davidmorehead
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| Posted 3/30/2002 4:09 AM (GMT -6) | |
I went the PDf route a while ago. I remember nothing but problems with it. I know there are lots of setting you can tweak to get it to work. My question is why different workarounds have to be used with Finale? All other programs worked flawlessly as I remember.
I want to be able to have the PDF option but I don't want all the hassles.
Currently I use Tiff in a word file (for the people that have Word) Very slow, but it works. For people that don't have Word, I have them download Notepad.
Could anyone using the most current version of Finale and Adobe Distiller please post if they have success. Please also note if you had to do a bunch of tweaking.
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TTBashore
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| Posted 3/30/2002 5:40 AM (GMT -6) | |
This is Anon1 again. Gary, I've had much the same experience as you except for a couple points. If I create a ps file (using Imagesetter) and Distill it there are still a couple problems. If Engraver Slurs are turned on then some, but not all of them will appear wildly out of position. Line Spacing of text block items is also not exported which screws up my logo thingy. Still, your Imagesetter solution is better than none at all.
I was hoping that the error message in my original post might be a clue to some of the problems. I was trying to export an eps to Distiller just to see if it would work, and I got an error message I hadn't seen anyone post before. In this case, Distiller is clearly NOT receiving the fonts so it assumes that that option is checked even though it is not. Maybe the screw-up is Finale's fault for not sending the fonts correctly and Distiller just posts that error message because they aren't there.
Coda, the ability to create pdf files from Finale is VERY important to many of your users and there are serious problems trying to do this with Finale 2002 and Windows XP. Please, please, please address this in a maintenance release or Finale 2003.
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TTBashore
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| Posted 3/30/2002 5:46 AM (GMT -6) | |
Gary, I just realized I didn't answer your initial question. If I create an eps file with Imagesetter and then Distill it the fonts are embedded. The line spacing is wacked-out but the fonts are there.
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GT
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Date Joined Feb 2001
Total Posts : 1434
| Posted 3/30/2002 1:16 PM (GMT -6) | |
Anon(1):
There's no question that there is something hinky about Finale's EPS files and its handling of the whole PostScript thing. A helpful chap over on the Adobe Illustrator Forum had me send him some EPS files, which he ran through some sort of utility program, I forget its name. His diagnosis: Finale EPS files are chock-full of extraneous info, which really serves no purpose other than to gum up the works.
I fully agree that Coda should work hard to resolve this, and will e-mail them to request such a fix. I encourage everyone out there who deals with these issues to e-mail them as well. Yes, Finale is a notation program, but if it offers the Graphics tool, I think we're within our right to expect that it works better. (At the same time, Adobe, Microsoft and HP ain't too high on my Christmas card list, either, since they're not exactly without blame here...)
Cheers.
Gary
(PS: Anon(1), I've had the haywire slur problem in EPS and PDFs, too. I've found that turning off Engraver Slurs fixes it, but that pretty much defeats the whole purpose, don't it?...)
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TTBashore
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| Posted 3/30/2002 1:31 PM (GMT -6) | |
I've emailed winsupport@codamusic.com about this. If everyone else who needs to be able to distill pdf's from Finale emails them as well, maybe it'll get resolved. Please chime in and nag them about this. Thanks!
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Ric
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| Posted 3/31/2002 11:39 AM (GMT -6) | | | |
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Scott Amort
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| Posted 4/2/2002 6:40 AM (GMT -6) | |
I find this discussion interesting, and will relay my experiences:
On my system (WinXP Professional) with Finale 2002b and several Adobe applications installed (Acrobat 5.0.5, Illustrator 10, Photoshop 6.01, InDesign 2), I can:
1) Create a PDF by printing directly to Distiller from Finale
2) Create a PDF by printing first to the Adobe generic Postscript print, then running distiller
However, compiling a postscript listing or exporting a graphic as an eps fails (once run through distiller). This leads me to believe (as others have pointed out on this thread) that the problem is with Finale and it's ability to deal with Postscript. I don't think the problem lies with XP (or at least it does not for me).
Scott
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Jari Williamsson
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| Posted 4/2/2002 7:40 AM (GMT -6) | |
As discussed just recently on the Finale e-mail list:
The NT PostScript implementation does NOT support EPS. The EPS files you get out of Finale when running on NT/Win2000/XP is "fake". Finale is not the only product that have problem with this...
To produce EPS files from Finale on this environment, you can for example:
1. Create a PDF of a page by printing it from Finale
2. Go to Acrobat (not Acrobat Reader)
3. Trim the page as needed
4. Export to EPS by using "File/Save" (in Acrobat 5) or "File/Export/PostScript or EPS..." [This approach doesn't rely on the PS driver.]
Or you can boot to Win 95/98/ME...
Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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Scott Amort
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| Posted 4/4/2002 10:45 AM (GMT -6) | |
Thanks for the info Jari, however, I can create eps files just fine in Quark, Illustrator, Acrobat, etc., so it still seems that this is a Finale implementation issue, regardless of XP's postscript support.
Scott
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Graham Lloyd
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| Posted 4/7/2002 6:17 PM (GMT -6) | |
I'm not sure what everyone's problem is but I create all my PDF files straight from the print menu by selecting Acrobat PDF Writer (Adobe Acrobat version 4.0). They work quickly and flawlessly every time. The only problem I've experienced is the Acrobat Reader version 5.0 cannot read note heads and replaces them with large open squares. Version 5.0.5 fixes this problem. I can't get 'distiller' to work so gave up on that the one and only time I tried using it. But, as PDFs are simple to create and print about 20% better quality-wise I use them exclusively. I'm using a Windows 98 platform.
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TTBashore
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| Posted 4/7/2002 6:55 PM (GMT -6) | |
Graham, this is not a problem in Windows 98, only in XP.
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