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Eric
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 56

Posted 10/21/2004 6:53 PM (GMT -6)

Ok, I'm using Finale 2004b and I'm having an issue where Human Playback is doing something that I didn't tell it to. I have a measure where there is a cezura between beats 3 and 4 and it's playing that fine. There is a quarter note pick up into the next bar where there is a tempo change. The expression is attached to the measure and is defined correctly. I want the tempo change from 90 to 160 and the Allegro expression's playback is set to change the tempo to 160. The problem is that Finale is making this tempo change gradual. I don't know why? It might be the crescendo followed by a decrescendo right where the tempo change takes place. Or that the double bar doesn't take place until 2 bars after the tempo change expression. Is there a way to get Human Playback to do this correctly? The tempo change should take place subito on the downbeat, not an accel. across the next 2 bars.

Thanks,

Eric

Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
Total Posts : 29077

Posted 10/21/2004 6:59 PM (GMT -6)

Just for fun, try putting an additionl double bar at the tempo change and see what happens. Meanwhile, there are so many variables that it would be a shot in the dark to guess without seeing the particular file. Is that possible? Would you post it?

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Finale 2004b, 2005, Win 2000 or XP

Eric
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 56

Posted 10/21/2004 7:24 PM (GMT -6)

I'm fine to post it.. well maybe the fragment.. it's just that it's not "my" music. Just for fun I'm entering the vocal/piano parts from Wicked out of the published book, so the music is copyright Stephen Schwartz. lol I don't know if it's legal for me to post if.. but if it's not just tell me and i'll delete it again.

PS - tried the double bar at the tempo change and it still didn't play right. Grr...

Post Edited (Eric) : 10/22/2004 12:47:50 AM GMT

Zuill
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Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 10/21/2004 7:34 PM (GMT -6)

Quoting small samples for study, as in this case, is usually considered "fair use". I don't think it poses a problem for that purpose with the credit given. However, you need to deal with the issues of legality in the work you are doing. We can't judge.

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Finale 2004b, 2005, Win 2000 or XP

Eric
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 56

Posted 10/21/2004 7:38 PM (GMT -6)

I'm just doing it for myself.. lol. I'm not that great of a pianist so I often type in piano books just to hear them. I own the book, so I think that's fair use. I don't post them ever anywhere or even release them as MIDI files. They're just for my personal use. But I'll prbly just delete this off the forum if we fix the problem eventually.

Thanks,
Eric

Zuill
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Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 10/21/2004 7:44 PM (GMT -6)

If there is a problem with HP, Robert Piechaud would know. 2005 did some major enhancements to HP, with many more user options. However, for your situation there is a possible workaround. Duplicate your Allegro expression, and make the font hidden so it won't be visible on printing. Apply the Allegro (hidden one) to the first beat of bar 20. Leave the other Allegro as is. See how that works.

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Finale 2004b, 2005, Win 2000 or XP

Eric
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 56

Posted 10/21/2004 7:47 PM (GMT -6)

Thanks.. that did it. I don't even care about it printing.. Like I said this is just one thing I do for myself to hear them or sing along. Thanks again!!

Eric

Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 10/21/2004 7:48 PM (GMT -6)

I just tried it on the last beat of bar 20. That might even be better.

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Finale 2004b, 2005, Win 2000 or XP

Eric
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 56

Posted 10/21/2004 9:31 PM (GMT -6)

Zuill: I sent this to you as a PM too, but just incase u don't see it.

So all of the tempo changes are giving me problems and the same solution doesn't seem to be working for them. I haven't been this annoyed at Finale in a while. I've never had this much trouble (even with full scores). grr.. if I send you the file, could u help me again? The first one is fine now, but the others are all kinda wrong.

Thanks,
Eric

Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
Total Posts : 29077

Posted 10/22/2004 12:51 AM (GMT -6)

If they work fine with human playback off, then the problem is with human playback. There were quite a few changes and improvements with HP in 2005. You may want to consider the upgrade. Try the demo and see if it solves those problems. HP was new in 2004, so there are bound to be glitches. I would go to the custom HP and, starting with the standard setup, systematically make changes and see what the problem might be. You may figure it out. But try the demo of 2005 too. I'll get back to you on sending the file.

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Finale 2004b, 2005, Win 2000 or XP

Robert P.
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Date Joined Apr 2004
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Posted 10/22/2004 2:07 AM (GMT -6)

Eric,

Even if you were able to work it around (and thanks to Zuill for this!), I'd be interested to see the file. This is the quickest way to understand and fix bugs. If you're reluctant posting the file at the forum directly, you can email it to me.

I am sending you my private email address through the forum message services.

Best,
Robert

Eric
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 56

Posted 10/22/2004 7:35 AM (GMT -6)

I actually got it to work pretty well. I played around with doubling some of the expressions as note expressions rather than measure expressions and I had to make sure that all of the rall., rit., a tempos were measure expressions rather than note expressions. Thanks for all of your help. I ususally do upgrade. In fact, this is the first year since 99 that I haven't. I just went back to school short on $ so I decided not to. =\ Maybe once I get Christmas money. lol. Thanks again.

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