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   Posted 4/19/2010 7:01 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I am wondering if there are any plans to make Finale iPad compatible. I carry my MacBook Pro to gigs occasionally as my "Fake Book," but it is cumbersome, and not tall enough, not to mention out of style with the music I play. An IPad, although still smaller than standard 8X10, would hopefully come a lot closer to the experience of reading (turning pages, etc.). I'm aware I could turn finale files into pdfs, and then load them on iPad, but I would much prefer keeping the file in finale, so that I can edit, change the key, etc. on the fly.

Anyone have any thoughts on the subject? I'm wondering how many others would be interested. I'm not optimistic, because when I searched for "ipad" nothing came up.
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   Posted 4/19/2010 7:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There have been a number of threads here about the possibility of MakeMusic producing some software for the iPad.

MakeMusic's official answer is that they do not plan to:
makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3543/

They say the problem lies with the "hardware and software limitations of the devices". For which, you should read that MM would need to rewrite the entire code to conform to the APIs of the iPhone OS (which does not have so much legacy support built-in and is not so forgiving as OS X); and also that they would have to create new touchscreen interface methods rather than using the standard mouse and keyboard ones.

There is much to commend in using the iPad as a storage device of sheet music PDFs (though you'd get a lot of sheet music for $499).

The MacBook is out of style with the music that you play? How about this hand-tooled wood, leather and brass laptop, complete with F-holes?
www.datamancer.net/steampunklaptop/steampunklaptop.htm


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   Posted 4/19/2010 8:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, Wiggy. For some reason I couldn't "find" ipad in any of the search boxes I tried.

"Style" really wasn't the right word. I play in smoky, low-end (in this economy) jazz clubs, where tunes get called very quickly. I play many different pianos. A laptap is often hard to set up (for example, with an upright.)

When I can afford one, I'll see how it does with pdfs. $499 is not that outrageous if you compare it with lugging fakebooks to every gig.

Thanks for the response.
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   Posted 4/19/2010 10:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
But with a fake book, when a drunk bumps into your music stand and knocks it over, you pick it up and keep on playing.
An iPad would not be as forgiving in this case.


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   Posted 4/19/2010 11:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
HaHa. Good point!
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   Posted 4/19/2010 1:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Have you seen this?

http://www.forscoreapp.com/


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   Posted 4/19/2010 4:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not sure if you guys have a copy, but there is a series of copies of the Real Books in pdf format that makes the rounds on gigs. Most of the music students at the universities and colleges in our area (DFW, TX) have a copy. I have them loaded on my ancient 12" Powerbook G4 and they are a life saver when someone asks for an obscure tune in a club. It would probably be very easy to store them on an iPad and also more readable compared to the horizontal layout of the laptop. Even loading a leadsheet from Finale is problematic with a horizontal format.

I'm thinking about buying one if I can get a good demo at the local Apple store to see how quickly you can turn pages, screen size, etc. Although it would be cool to change keys, etc., most of the time it is more important just to get through the tune (singers beware).

PDF's on any device will be a good idea. We just need the get the manufacturers to get the price down on the devices.
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   Posted 4/19/2010 5:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Poco. Thanks. I'm excited about this product. Now to get an iPad. I mean, now to make the money to get an iPad.


Thanks so much for finding that.
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   Posted 4/19/2010 5:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And jdpmus, yes I have a cd full of about 20-30 different fake books. It's great except when there's too much music on the page (ie. the music is too small for my ageing eyes. The other problem, for me is going thru all the different indexes Indices??/ If been slowly picking songs from these, and saving them as just one file into my personal collection. In some cases (there's a "classical" fake book out there) I have split the pages in 2, cut off both margins and therefor been able to see the notes.

I'm sure there is a better way, but to turn pages, I put the curser on the down arrow, and click it when I need to. Very inexact.

Thanks for the input. I hope you will post on here about your trip to the apple store looking at the iPad. Take care.
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   Posted 4/20/2010 10:03 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I havn´t seen a iPd in real life yet so it´s hard to appreciate the size of pages with the forscore app.

I'm aiming for this:

http://www.saitarasoftware.com/Site/AC-7_Pro.html

since I don't don't do much gigs as a musician anymore :-)


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   Posted 4/20/2010 11:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I haven't seen an iPad in operation either. How would one go about loading PDF's into the iPad? I don't see a desktop so I wonder how you would place PDF's into folders. Or if you wanted to have music on PDF's would you have it somewhere else, like on an external drive or a website?

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   Posted 4/20/2010 12:41 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Poco - looks like it'll be good
Bill - Honestly, I don't know how you'd load pdfs. I guess I'm presuming by the time I have enough bucks to get one, there will be (probably already is) "an app for that!"
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   Posted 4/20/2010 1:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bill Stevens said...
I haven't seen an iPad in operation either. How would one go about loading PDF's into the iPad? I don't see a desktop so I wonder how you would place PDF's into folders. Or if you wanted to have music on PDF's would you have it somewhere else, like on an external drive or a website?

Several apps are able to transfer and display pdf files on the iPhone or the iPad : Goodreader is a good example. It can use folders and has many features.


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   Posted 4/21/2010 4:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MusicReader ( http://musicreader.net ) is supposed to be coming to the iPad and it might fill the bill.

The downside is that you have to either bring in PDFs and convert them, or scan in the music on your PC or Mac. I have the program on my Mac, and am waiting for the iPad version to come out and see if it works well enough. The MusicReader program on the PC and Mac allows for some annotation, don't know if the iPad version will or not.

I did try MusicReader out on a netbook that has nearly the same screen size as the iPad. It works, but only readable for me when I use it in 1/2 page mode.


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   Posted 4/21/2010 8:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
FYI

There is a RealBook app for iphone that may be iPad compatible. this might have some tunes in there for your use...and it will transpose the tune to another key. This won't help with custom files, but thought you'd find it interesting.

I forgot what it was called - don't have my iphone with me right now...I have it and it looks pretty handy.


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   Posted 4/22/2010 3:46 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Scott H. MakeMusic said...
There is a RealBook app for iphone that may be iPad compatible. this might have some tunes in there for your use...and it will transpose the tune to another key. This won't help with custom files, but thought you'd find it interesting.
I forgot what it was called - don't have my iphone with me right now...I have it and it looks pretty handy.

It is called iReal Book, but only offers chord changes, no melodies, no lyrics (for obvious copyright reasons). It is very nice indeed. More than 900 songs from the jazz and standards repertoire. See the website : irealbook.net/.


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   Posted 4/22/2010 2:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MusicReader for the iPad became available today. It is a free app on the iPad, but requires that you have the Mac or PC version of the program to convert and bring into the iPad the sheet music you want. The Mac or PC version is not free, but well worth the price.

MusicReader for iPad is available on the App store with iTunes.

MusicReader for the Mac or PC is available at http://musicreader.net

I have the iPad version on my iPad and it is very readable for use as a sheet music display device. That rather surprised me as I had tried the PC version on my netbook and wasn't impressed. The iPad version allows for annotation as well as full and half page turns.


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   Posted 4/22/2010 3:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
LloydP said...

I have the iPad version on my iPad and it is very readable for use as a sheet music display device.
Put your iPad on a music stand, load a 4-page piece of music in your reader, put the music stand 3 feet away, and perform the piece in real time.
 
Then verify your prior statement, please.


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   Posted 4/22/2010 3:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK, my music stand is on my organ and is 29" from my eyes at my normal playing position. Just tried reading and playing a 3 page (sorry I didn't have another page <G>) song and it was readable to me. It did require more page turns though as the 3 pages of actual sheet music turned out to be 6 turns.

But you can download the PC or Mac version and try it for free, the iPad version is free and then you could see if it works for you, assuming you have an iPad already.


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   Posted 4/22/2010 11:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
jdpmus said...
Not sure if you guys have a copy, but there is a series of copies of the Real Books in pdf format that makes the rounds on gigs.


Where can I buy these?


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   Posted 4/23/2010 12:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for reporting your experience. I find the size of the music to be fine on the iPad both for singing and piano, but the reflections from the glossy screen are not. Is this a problem for you? If so, have you tried any of the anti-glare options?


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   Posted 4/23/2010 1:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michael and Lloyd,

I do choral singing. It seems to me that the iPad would only display one system of 4-parts plus piano. Maybe one vocal line plus piano would show two systems. Is your experience different? I like to see what's coming up, and I think that one system at a time would be a pain with constant page turns, rather than seeing one or two pages at a time.



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   Posted 4/23/2010 1:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michael Good said...
Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for reporting your experience. I find the size of the music to be fine on the iPad both for singing and piano, but the reflections from the glossy screen are not. Is this a problem for you? If so, have you tried any of the anti-glare options?


On my Lowrey with a nice bottom lighting system, the glare isn't an issue at all. On my other 3 organs that don't have that, the glare is tolerable for me, but I am considering getting an anti-glare screen cover for other uses.


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   Posted 4/23/2010 1:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
Michael and Lloyd,

I do choral singing. It seems to me that the iPad would only display one system of 4-parts plus piano. Maybe one vocal line plus piano would show two systems. Is your experience different? I like to see what's coming up, and I think that one system at a time would be a pain with constant page turns, rather than seeing one or two pages at a time.


You are probably correct in what you can see on the iPad for your use, and there are no foot pedals or other things to make page turning a bit less cumbersome. Or turn the iPad to the tall side, might offer a bit more. And since trying it costs nothing but time, it should be worth it. Assuming you have an iPad, of course.


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   Posted 4/24/2010 1:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Mike,

You can get two systems of 4-part choral music + piano with no problem. It seems that anything that can fit on 9 x 12 paper or smaller sizes will be readable on the iPad, which has the same 3 x 4 form factor as printed music. For larger format music, like orchestral scores, it works more like a miniature study score. I haven't tried the Leoné Music Reader yet, but I believe it does offer half-page turns so you can always see a system ahead for any music that has at least two systems per page. I hope to try out Leoné and some of the other music reader apps in the next couple of weeks.


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