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Bearcublandon
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| Posted 9/13/2015 11:30 AM (GMT -6) |   | I writing a dance score where I want the horns to play forte at the beginning of the beat (the note duration is over 3 beats) then decrescendo to p then crescendo back to forte within the 1st beat of the measurement (do this really fast - kind of bending the note audibly if possible). I remember hearing this effect played by a trumpet player back in the 60's (it was some sort of latin dance piece that was being performed). I think this effect is called "schmaltz" (it might be called by another term musically but this all I know how to describe it. I can't seem to find a definition when I google it).
Is there a way in Finale to write this in a score. Right now I''m using trying to mimic this effect by using dynamics and hairpins but it isn't creating the effect that I want
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Bearcublandon
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| Posted 9/13/2015 5:01 PM (GMT -6) | | Thank you for your responses. I saw the definition of Schmaltz as well. However, I heard this effectgwhen I was kind on an LP when I was in kid (back in 63 and 64 time period) but I can't remember the name of the song but I can hear the solo in my head.
I think I'm trying to do a combnation of a bend and a glissando on the same note where right after the initial note attach the sound quickly diminishes and then comes back up. I watched a video on trumpet techinques and this is the closed the effect I could find. There is a technique called the "squeeze" but the sound doesn't bounce back to it's original volume.
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Bearcublandon
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| Posted 9/18/2015 10:51 AM (GMT -6) | | I was trying to get a jazz effect but it looks like, as Michel had mentioned, Garritan doesn't have this effect in it's normal library. They did say that their Jazz library will allow you to create some special effects but you have to skilled in using mod wheels etc - which I'm not.
Yes, the effect you've described is something like that. I played around with doing that but from what I was able to do it didn't sound naturally.
I tried the dynamics effect on a half note but if I break out the half note into eight notes and apply different dynamic levels that might work (I just thought of this now).
What I ended up doing was creating an embellishment (e.g. grace notes etc) but it isn't exactly what I want. And, on top of this, I have the melody played by a horn and it might be more difficult for a horn player to have as much control over this effect than a trumpet player.
When I get further along with the piece I'll post it online because I do have some concerns about what I'm doing and will some advice to help me make it sound really nice.
Thanks for your help,
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N. Grossingink
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| Posted 9/18/2015 10:54 AM (GMT -6) | | Dean L. Surkin said...
Could the OP possibly have misheard the word "sforzando?" The effect he describes is a forte sforzando followed by decrescendo and then a a crescendo.
You make a good point. The OP mentioned dynamics as the main effect he remembered. Dynamics alone may not necessarily mean "schmaltzy". It's usually a combination of dynamics, excess of rubato, lots of portamento (slides), and a generally corny, overly sentimental, dated way of performing a tune. Lawrence Welk and Guy Lombardo were "schmaltzy". My view on the matter, though.
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