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Jari Williamsson
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| Posted 11/15/2013 10:16 AM (GMT -6) |   | | |
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MowingDevil
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| Posted 11/15/2013 2:53 PM (GMT -6) | | saxop said...MowingDevil said...
Bollocks. Whether or not a 7th grader gets it doesn't make it more standard. The standard concept that people understand is that the more P's the composer writes, the quieter you play. That's the rule. Any musician who reads ppp and pppp in the same song will know which is quieter, because they understand the rule. But I understand that you're talking about which is more common. And I believe you're incorrect, at least here in the United States. I would have a difficult time finding a musician who has never come across pppp. I'd have the opposite problem with niente.
Different worlds perhaps. Niente (or a circle as a symbol to start from silence) turns up 10x more in scores I read than pppp.
saxop said...MowingDevil said...
You also contradict yourself. Reducing the hairpins to one button would reduce the "crap" as you put it. Is it really that hard to comprehend since they are both *exactly the same* whether you go left to right or vice versa? Its simple really. One streamlined button w/ an icon that has both hairpins on it. Finale has made way bigger changes than this, c'mon. First of all, one additional symbol on a palette that fits easily on the screen is not the same thing as adding tons of extra symbols to dig through. Secondly, I already explained other reasons, including workflow. Sometimes it's faster to work left to right. The opposite might be true at times as well. If you're limiting yourself to working one direction because you don't press < >, then you are slowing yourself down. That's your choice. Don't try to take away mine.
You really think clicking back and forth between 2 tools and then dragging the same way is more efficient than one tool which you drag either way? I see it as the exact opposite, it would speed things up and simplify the tool palette/bar. Now that they allow for each symbol to do both (but opposite of each other) it would be more intuitive. They got rid of the mass mover, I could see this coming in down the road.
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Michel R. E.
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| Posted 11/15/2013 3:10 PM (GMT -6) | | MowingDevil said...
You really think clicking back and forth between 2 tools and then dragging the same way is more efficient than one tool which you drag either way? I see it as the exact opposite, it would speed things up and simplify the tool palette/bar. Now that they allow for each symbol to do both (but opposite of each other) it would be more intuitive. They got rid of the mass mover, I could see this coming in down the road.
I already addressed how extra symbols could easily be handled.
you DO know that you can easily assign metatools to shartshapes right?
I just choose the smartshape tool, and from there S = slur, D = diminuendo, C = crescendo, etc...
no need to go back and forth to change the tool.
Finale (started with ver. 3.0) 2010, 2011, 2012b installed
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basically ALL Garritan sounds, plus XSample Chamber Ensemble.
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 11/15/2013 10:24 PM (GMT -6) | | | |
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RV
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| Posted 11/16/2013 9:04 AM (GMT -6) | | Vaughan said...
If RV is still following this thread, one of problems with Finale crashing right after installation can be solved by clearing all font caches (with a utility like OnyX) and restarting. I'm afraid a lot of people, unfortunately but understandably, got put off the entire program because of this initial problem with the font caches.
- yes I'm still looking - at the moment, mostly because I think it's so silly… (The upgrade… I mean, and what people/fellow-users say about this…)
Hey; could somebody please take my side and explain why I shouldn't be able to use a "chosen" font to make my scores?
- why the He** doesn't my own fonts work properly in 2012? - is there ANY reason for this?
(That got my quite upset the last update… - understandable?)
Now; in 2014 "update" - I can't even START the friggin' thing anymore!
- I don't CARE if I "have to clean font cashes, UnInstall ALL my AU's, pickmynosewashmyclothesanddrinkabeer…"
THIS IS INSANE!
It is a MUSIC-Software. And it works a little bit with graphics too…
- could you PLEASE give me ONE example of another "new" software coming out, where one asks to do such silly things??
MakeMusic should bloody darn well learn NOT TO release a update unless IT WORKS!
Nobody gets happy like this!
(Now, OF COURSE, it can be so, that it's only MY computer that is completely messed up… Of course!
But, then again; how come ALL my OTHER (Music) Software work MORE than well?)
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It's just history repeating…
I just remember how upset I was some year ago.. haha! Exactly the same!
(I must just admit - it's solely my stupidity to believe it would change… - sorry for this).
RV
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Finale 2012 c.r13 (2008 b r1, 2005, 2003, v.3, v.1.1)
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Dr. Wiggy
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| Posted 11/16/2013 9:53 AM (GMT -6) | | RV said...
Hey; could somebody please take my side and explain why I shouldn't be able to use a "chosen" font to make my scores?
- why the He** doesn't my own fonts work properly in 2012? - is there ANY reason for this?
(That got my quite upset the last update… - understandable?)
Now; in 2014 "update" - I can't even START the friggin' thing anymore!.
Finale should (and does for the most part) work fine with any fonts you have. There are some bugs and issues, sure, but we don't know what your problem is at this time -- it could be nothing to do with Finale, for all we know.
If you look round forums of any software -- Photoshop, Logic, Office, anything -- you will find people complaining that it crashes immediately. Mostly, these things can be fixed on the computer itself. Occasionally, something needs to be updated.
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Stringman
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| Posted 11/24/2013 7:10 AM (GMT -6) | | | I've been using Finale since 97. 2014 is the worst "upgrade" ever. I'm experiencing buyer remorse over such a waste of money. For me the most serious bugs are: 1. Simple entry- when i click on a line or space to place a note, the note is placed on the line or space below it. 1a. The mouse in simple entry is too jerky as it locks onto a line or space. 2. On the template page when opening a new document, the return key functions like the tab key allowing only one line of text per text box. 3. Overall slower productivity due to dealing with these issues. 4. Ugly interface by Mac standards (looks like an ugly windows interface- no offense windows users but Mac people like their eye candy). The Mac interface is getting uglier due to Maverick so this may not be a Finale issue. | | Back to Top | |
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