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Percival Hoselton-Maniago
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  		   Posted 10/8/2016 8:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And you can tell me if the damage is irreparable. In Finale 2012, I made one measure, of a 4/4 piece, 8/4 time but forgot to select that time signature only for that measure. Thus the rest of the piece is now in 8/4 time and everything is out of sync. Not knowing I forgot to select just that measure, I closed and saved changes. Today when I continued work, I even tried to convert back to 4/4 but the entire piece from that point on is horribly out of sync. Of course I can spend hours rewriting. All is not lost. But what can I do to repair this easily? Thank you.

UPDATE: JW Rhythm Copy is being a big help in getting the parts back into sync.

Post Edited (Percival Hoselton-Maniago) : 10/8/2016 8:28:14 PM (GMT-5)

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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 2:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The problem is that unless asked to do otherwise, Finale uses placeholder and not real rests for empty measures. Changing the meter ignores these placeholder rests and disrupts sync between the parts. AFAIK, there are only two ways to prevent this mess. One is to make sure that you run the Change to Real Whole Rests plugin before changing meter, and the other is to have selected Allow Undo Past Save in Preferences/Edit. If you have done the latter, you can go back to the point before changing everything to 8/4.

OT: Here's a question for programming-savvy users. How does Finale track changes to a file if the user has Allow Undo Past Save selected? It's hard to imagine that these changes would be somehow encoded in the file itself so wouldn't it be a job for the temp files that Finale makes during a session, although wouldn't this make it impossible or at least undesirable for Finale to 'clean up after itself' upon quitting?

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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 4:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, Vaughan, that explains it. Very interesting. I checked and I definitely have Allow Undo Past Save checked. "Maximum Save Levels" is set at 0 for unlimited. But "undo" in the edit menu is grayed out when I open a file to continue working on it. As it turns out, however, I was able to undo the whole mess. I will definitely get the Change to Real Whole Rests plug in. Thank you.

Post Edited (Percival Hoselton-Maniago) : 10/9/2016 5:02:38 AM (GMT-5)

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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 5:16 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You don't need to "get" the plug-in: it comes with Finale.

Might you have a backup copy of your file from before it all went wrong? Either Finale's backup files, or your own backup strategy that use for all your files.

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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 7:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You need to use "Undo" BEFORE you save and close a file. Finale does not remember "undo" past a file close.

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Percival Hoselton-Maniago
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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 7:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wiggy, Ron, I do have the Finale BAK folder. What happened was I did not spot the mess till the next day when I open the file again. So, yes, Ron, I understand; I misinterpreted what Vaughan was saying. I've always had Allow Undo checked (I think it's checked by default). And, Ron, I see Change to Whole Rests in Note Beam Rest Edit. Never had occasion to use it but sure will now. As I say, I've sorted out the mess and learnt something. Thank you both.
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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 9:04 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Of course, Allow Undo Past Save means until the file is closed. Thanks, Ron.

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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 9:44 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Every time I open a file to start work, I save it with a different name ending in a new (yymmdd) timestamp like filename161009.musx. Making a manual backup before making a major change just makes sense; and the file size isn't large; and extra backups can be deleted when they are no longer necessary.

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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 5:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oh, indeed Derrek, I have done that and will get back into that habit, thank you. I sure did it once I corrected the mess!
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  		   Posted 10/9/2016 6:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This seems like a good time to develop a backup plan. Either an external drive or a cloud backup. They're invaluable if you have a major crash, but also to retrieve earlier versions of files in cases like this.

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  		   Posted 10/10/2016 1:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you need to rewrite the score, consider assigning back the unwanted timing signature; so that your music appears readable. Then follow these steps.

1. Create a new document -> add the correct time signatures.
2. open the old document -> split the window horizontally, so you can see both documents.
3. Selection Tool -> click in a measure of notation-> hold down "Shift" key -> click inwards from one end of a measure to highlight only the portion of notation you wish to copy and paste into the new document.
4. Right-click in the new document -> Paste -> repeat for next part.

This way you won't need to rewrite the piece. You will only need to copy and paste the sections, one by by one...much quicker than a rewrite.

I hope this helps.

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