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Mark Stivers
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Date Joined Nov 2000
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| Posted 4/13/2002 4:02 AM (GMT -6) |   |
What is the best way to produce a 4½/4 time signature? (I would never do this myself, but my client insists.) I figured out a way to do it, but ideally I'd like a solution that got the 4½ centered over the 4.
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GT
It was some other guy.
 
Date Joined Feb 2001
Total Posts : 1434
| Posted 4/13/2002 7:49 AM (GMT -6) | |
Mark:
Is your client a fan of Grainger?
This is a very quick and dirty solution, but here's what I did:
1) In the first measure set a meter of 11/8 and told the measure to not show it.
2) Made the meter 9/8 from the second measure on, also hiding it.
3) In the Shape Expression Designer, created a 4½/4, using Maestro 24 for the big numbers, Maestro 12 for the small numbers and Times 12 for the slash, placed them in the proper positions and grouped them.
4) In the first measure, entered a quarter rest and hid it, then entered the actual notes that are supposed to be seen. (This allows you room to place the time signature expression in there without messing up the spacing.)
5) Placed the expression in the (more or less) proper position.
This is a PIA at best, and leads to all sorts of issues, like proper playback and beaming. I can't help you with the former; with the latter, you can fix the beaming either in Speedy or with Mass Mover> Rebeam> Rebeam to Time Signature.
But it will at least look right, albeit with large amounts of tweaking...
Cheers.
Gary
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Peter Thomsen
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Date Joined Jun 2000
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| Posted 4/14/2002 1:39 AM (GMT -6) | |
Mark and Gary,
Take a look at the attached document.
1. The beaming is controlled with the time signature. To get the nine 8ths beamed [2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1] I defined the time signature as 4/4 + 1/8.
2. In order to make the time signature shape easier assigned I moved the shape to the right so that the shape's handle is on the left side of the shape, not in the middle. I also moved the 1 a little down to make it fit exactly between the two highest staff lines (the vertical position should be 9 points).
3. To get proper spacing for the nonstandard time signature I inserted a blank measure with invisible barline. In that way the spacing for the time signature (= the width of measure 1) is independent of the spacing for the notes (in measure 2). I assigned the time signature to measure 2 as a measure expression. Vertical position: -12 points. Horizontal position: -27 points (depends on the width of the shape). The measure width of the blank measure required a little experimenting, since that depends on the width of the shape.
Inserting an extra measure, however, screws up the measure numbers. To make measure 2 numbered as measure 1, I let the first measure number region begin with measure 2. There is no measure number region for measure 1.
4. In the beginning of the next system I switched to 4/4 so that you can compare and check the distances between clef and time signature, and between time signature and music.
Peter
PS You might wonder how I in 2. and 3. could tell the exact vertical positions in points.
The secret is that
1. The time signature number characters in a music font have their baseline going through the middle of the character, not at the bottom. When you are in the Shape Designer and click to insert a font character, the click positions the baseline of the character.
2. The height of a staff = the point size of the music font. When using Maestro 24 the staff height is 24 points. Each number character has a height of 12 points - with the baseline 6 points above the bottom. In Maestro each number character has a height of 6 points (= the distance between two staff lines) - with the baseline 3 points above the bottom.
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GT
It was some other guy.
Date Joined Feb 2001
Total Posts : 1434
| Posted 4/14/2002 12:10 PM (GMT -6) | |
Peter:
Even by your usual standards of ingenious workarounds, this is impressive.
Bravo!
Cheers.
Gary
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Mark Stivers
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Date Joined Nov 2000
Total Posts : 109
| Posted 4/15/2002 3:33 AM (GMT -6) | |
Thank you, Peter, for your beautiful shape expression. Instead of using a blank measure to make space, you can use TGTools to add extra space to the beginning of the measure (look under TGTools>Spacing).
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