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LP
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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 3:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have been trying to use the decresendo mark (the greater than arrow). I can place it where I want it, but when I play it back the song doesn't fade out. (This is the end of the song). Any suggestions? Please give me step by step instructions. I am just a hobbyist - not a trained musician. Thank you.
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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 4:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
if you put a p or pp dynamic at the end of the decrescendo does it work?

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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 4:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, yes and no. The melody does fade. I have chords with fret boards above the melody that do not fade. Why wouldn't the WHOLE arrangement fade together?
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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 4:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Chord symbols have a mind of their own. I can't say about that. You might have to use the MIDI Tool to get a real fade out.

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P.S.: I can get a MIDI Volume fade to work, but I have to turn off HP to get it. HP has a mind of its own as well.

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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 6:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Expressions do not (necessarily) affect all layers of an instrument, and chords are treated as a separate layer. Try setting the "Expressions" "layer" to the same instrument as your chords; that is apparently what the Expressions "layer" is for.

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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 6:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Unfortunately, your file doesn't change volume at all for me. When I change the instrument to piano, then the notes dim, but not the chords, even when they are on a different channel along with expressions.

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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 8:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The point is that the string chords dim when the Expressions is set to the string patch used in the chords (in VST). When I set Layer 1 to oboe and Expressions to oboe, the "melody" dim's but the chords do not.

Perhaps it works differently for velocity instruments than for sustaining instruments.

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  		   Posted 12/29/2016 8:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since I have a different aria player version, it wiped out the sounds, so I didn't know what you had used. Now that you mention what they were, I can test it.

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  		   Posted 12/30/2016 12:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It took me years to find out (from MM) what Expressions actually did. It appears to be a vestigial attempt to align dynamics with specific layers, but since it can only work for one layer, it is not of much use for two instruments on a staff.

Still, it's nice to know what it does. Once can always use another tool in the toolbox.

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  		   Posted 12/30/2016 2:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Expressions used to be different; they could be "note attached" or "measure attached."

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