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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 8:10 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm looking for information on the Russian folk song "Polyushko Polye" (Meadowlands) by Lev Knipper composed in 1933.  It sometimes goes by the title "Oh Field, My Field".  I'm trying to find out if it is public domain or not.  I've checked the IMSLP website and found nothing.  I've found plenty of info with lyrics and chords as well piano scores for sale by various arrangers but no information on whether the melody is public domain or not.  Any thoughts?
 
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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 8:14 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Lev Knipper died in 1974, so his music is not public domain.
If he used a folk song (which was probably pubic domain), the work became protected again in his specific arrangement.

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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 8:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks.  After a bit more research I found out the piece protected under Russian copyright law.  Any ideas who I would contact to obtain rights or where to start?

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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 9:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Assuming that you want to make an arrangement, you have 2 options :
1) verifying that the original folk song is actually public domain. If it is, you are free to make you own original arrangement, not borrowing anything specific from Knipper's work.
2) you want to use some material from Knipper's arrangement as a basis for a new arrangement of yours. In this case, you need permission from the publisher. You should contact the Collecting Society of your own country to obtain the address of a possible sub-publisher in your country.

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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 10:17 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the input. I've searched data basses from the following resources: RAO (Russian Authors Society) which oversees the collection rights of authors and composers as well as the RAO (Russian Archives Online). I found nothing relating to the song title or the composer. Is there a public domain data base that I can check? I've checked IMSLB and found nothing. Anywhere else I can check?

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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 10:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You could send an email and ask the question to your local Author's Rights Collecting Society. There is an international database which all Societies have access to.
They receive questions like yours every day.

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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 10:46 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Great! Thanks!

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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 10:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry to bother you again. I'm a member of ASCAP. They have access to the databases your talking about. I just checked their database for Lev Knipper or Polyrushko Polye under the RAO and there was nothing found, so I might be in the clear. I'll contact the RAO just in case.

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  		   Posted 6/11/2015 6:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There's some irony here in that Russia is not exactly a paragon of respecting intellectual property law.

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  		   Posted 6/13/2015 8:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I doubt seriously you will get permission. See if you can find an original copy. Do your own thing!
One thing more is whether the composer retained any rights or whether he gave them all to the publisher.

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  		   Posted 6/17/2015 7:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just curious. Any update on this Russian song Meadowlands?

I've always wanted to cover it on the ukulele and do a YouTube vid.

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  		   Posted 6/18/2015 3:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I haven't heard anything yet. On JWPepper's website the piece has been published 30 times over the years through many publishers of various arrangements. Sometimes the publisher gives credit to the arranger and composer, sometimes they just give credit to the arranger and list the song is it as "Traditional".

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