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HDelahay
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Date Joined Mar 2002
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| Posted 9/1/2008 8:26 PM (GMT -6) |   | |
In writing hymns, many times the verses do not fall right on the downbeat, and require a pick-up measure. No problem. However, at the end of the verse, the final measure is truncated, to compliment the pick-up. For example, in "Away in a Manger", written in 3/4, the verse begins on beat 3 of the pick-up measure, but ends with a half-note on beats 1&2 of the final measure. (Beat 3 of the final measure becomes the pick-up measure for verse 2.)
3 | 1 & 2 & 3 | 1 2 3 | | 1 2 3 | 1 2 |
1. A-| way in a | man-ger, no | . . . |sleep on the | hay. |
2. The| cat - tle are| low-ing, the| . . . |morn-ing is | nigh.|
Using PrintMusic 2008, I can only come up with two equally cumbersome work-arounds.
First, I can finish the final measure with the note and lyric for the next verse and place a forward repeat at measure 1 (following the pick-up measure). This worked musically, but is confusing for the congregation.
3 ||: 1 & 2 & 3 | 1 2 3 | | 1 2 3 | 1 2 3 :||
1. A-||: way in a | man-ger, no | . . . |sleep on the | hay.(2.The :||
2. ||: cat - tle are| low-ing, the| . . . |morn-ing is | nigh.(3.Be :||
Second, I have tried to shorten the last measure by changing the time signature to 2/4, hoping to be able to hide the graphic (no such luck), plus, when the playback went back to the beginning, there were 2 beats of the pick-up measure before the second verse began.
(1 2) 3 | 1&2 & 3 | 1 2 3 | | 1 2 3 | 1 2 |
1. A-| way in a | man-ger, no | . . . |sleep on the |24 hay. |
2. - - The| cat- tle are| low-ing, the| . . . |morn-ing is | nigh.|
Is there another/better way, or am stuck by the limitations of PrintMusic and my budget?
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Mike Rosen
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Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 9/1/2008 10:44 PM (GMT -6) | | You're stuck. PM makes it necessary to use workarounds. In this case, I would do two editions: one for print, and one for playback.
Mike Rosen
WebLackey for the Seattle SeaChordsmen
PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
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Fritz Meissner
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Date Joined Jul 2004
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| Posted 9/2/2008 3:40 PM (GMT -6) | | | |
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Mike Rosen
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Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 9/2/2008 5:25 PM (GMT -6) | | In this case, Dave, you'd be out a lot more money, for a fairly minor fix. Which is not to say that it's not worth it, but it would depend on the individual. There are a couple of things that I wish PrintMusic would do, too, that don't have workarounds. But it still isn't important enough for me to go the extra hundreds of dollars.
Mike Rosen
WebLackey for the Seattle SeaChordsmen
PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
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Dave BTW
Bytheway Dave, what's your last name?
Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 421
| Posted 9/3/2008 9:47 AM (GMT -6) | | Let me just say, that I have NEVER regretted the purchase of the full version of Finale. It was a sacrifice for sure in cash, and there are many Finale features that I don't use (and may never use given the amateur status of my musical ambitions). But when I want to do something, just like the above question, then I can. I do not consider this a waste of money in any account. My time messing with things is worth something as well.
When I first evaluated my choice for notation, it was a long time ago. I tried the three front runners at the the time, Music Printer Plus, Encore, and Finale 2.2. I had to save up extra to get Finale. But being a computer power user, I felt so restricted by the other choices. Much like many complain about Sibelius now.
So I do not see it as a waste of money, or not getting what you pay for at all. Sorry Mike that you seem to think it not worth the upgrade cost. I still do not see it as money floating away, because you DO get what you pay for.
Dave Bytheway - Desktop Finale 2008a - 2009 WinXP - Laptop Finale 2008a - 2009 on WinXP - TGTools - Nuendo 4.1.2 - Wavelab 6.1 - RME Fireface 800 | | Back to Top | |
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Ron.
Composer
Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 8828
| Posted 9/3/2008 10:11 AM (GMT -6) | | I agree full-heartedly, Dave. If one wanted to do carpentry work, for example, would he use what-ever tools happened to be lying around, or would he spend a few dollars on the tools the he needed to do the job properly?
I thought the "education" discount applied to people associated with the church as well. I could be wrong on that, but it sticks in my memory. (I'm guessing that this might apply to our poster.)
Ron, composer
www.RonaldJBrown.com
Finale 2009 with Garritan Personal Orchestra 2.0,
Jazz & Big Band, and Concert & Marching Band
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Mike Rosen
himself
Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 9/3/2008 10:52 AM (GMT -6) | | Dave and Ron,
You're both correct, and maybe someday I'll take the big step! But for now, I make do with what I can afford.
Mike Rosen
WebLackey for the Seattle SeaChordsmen
PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
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Mike Rosen
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Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 9/3/2008 10:58 AM (GMT -6) | | Ron,
You're right, there is a theological discount for those meeting the following qualifications:
Religious Institution, Music Minister or Music Ministry Representative
Nonprofit with a separate house of worship or currently employed by a religious institution.
Proof of nonprofit status and tax-exempt number and a letter on official letterhead defining the buyer as the religious institution's official representative.
So even those are pretty restrictive. Even though I do lots of notation for my synagogue choir, I wouldn't meet these specs.
Mike Rosen
WebLackey for the Seattle SeaChordsmen
PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
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Mike Rosen
himself
Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 9/3/2008 3:17 PM (GMT -6) | | I know, Jeannie. I'm waiting for 2009, since I've gotten so fond of the new selection tool in PM2008.
Mike Rosen
WebLackey for the Seattle SeaChordsmen
PrintMusic 2008 on the PC: Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.
Nightingale on the Ol' Macintosh
Favorite reference: Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, Gerou & Lusk, 1996
"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker." | | Back to Top | |
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