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Big Jim Slade
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| Posted 3/8/2013 11:13 PM (GMT -6) |   | What is the best approach to adding staff lines temporarily. E.g.
1. First violin has a solo passage separate from the rest of the violins?
2. Cellos divis a3 needing 3 separate staffs for a period? | | Back to Top | |
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Zuill
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| Posted 3/9/2013 1:54 AM (GMT -6) | | You're talking abut another staff, not adding lines to a staff. How this is done is by adding extra staves to the entire document, then hiding them in all but the needed systems.
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Big Jim Slade
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| Posted 3/9/2013 10:08 AM (GMT -6) | | How do I make them show up as the same part?
If I add a 2nd violin line, it wants to be a completely separate part.
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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 3/9/2013 11:23 AM (GMT -6) | | | |
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michelp
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| Posted 3/9/2013 12:42 PM (GMT -6) | | 1) In Manage Part, you can create manually a part which includes several staves.
2) And if a group has been created in the Staff tool, you'll see it in the parts list.
I hope we are talking about the same thing. If not, please explain what you have and what you want.
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Big Jim Slade
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| Posted 3/9/2013 2:40 PM (GMT -6) | | Manage staff was the part I was missing.
Is there a way to automatically hide a staff when there is nothing in it? | | Back to Top | |
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Big Jim Slade
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| Posted 3/22/2013 6:04 PM (GMT -6) | | I have made some progress but have some issues:
1. I created a second staff for the part. I hide the empty saves. I grouped the two staves using a brace. The brace shows up in scroll view but not in page view. How can I get the brace to appear in page view?
2. Is there any way to have the staff show nothing when empty. I disabled the rests but I'd like to get rid of the bar lines too.
3. Is there any way to combine staves in the score but have them separate in the parts? I have 1st violins divisi a4 (not my doing) across two staves in 4 layers. I'd like to have 2 staves on the parts and 1 stave on the score. | | Back to Top | |
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Peter Thomsen
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| Posted 3/22/2013 9:23 PM (GMT -6) | | Big Jim Slade said...
…1. I created a second staff for the part. I hide the empty saves. I grouped the two staves using a brace. The brace shows up in scroll view but not in page view. How can I get the brace to appear in page view?…
I think that we need a little more info.
Where do you need the brace?
- Where there is only one staff or where there are two staves?
- In the score or in the linked part?
Seeing a .mus document might also help - to clear things up faster.
Big Jim Slade said...
…2. Is there any way to have the staff show nothing when empty. I disabled the rests but I'd like to get rid of the bar lines too…
Do you want to hide staff-lines or bar-lines?
You can get display/not display of what ever you want, but you will have to do so with a staff style, applied to that particular region.
To hide the staff-lines, go to the pop up menu Staff (in the pane Appearance), and choose a 0-line staff in the pop up menu.
To hide the bar-lines, go to the very same pop up menu, and choose "Other…".
Displace the bar-lines vertically so that they appear inside the other staff.
(You might say that there is a simpler way, namely de-selecting Barlines in the pane Items to Display, but that de-selecting will not hide the Left Barlines at the beginning of each system)
Big Jim Slade said...
…3. Is there any way to combine staves in the score but have them separate in the parts? I have 1st violins divisi a4 (not my doing) across two staves in 4 layers. I'd like to have 2 staves on the parts and 1 stave on the score.
You can do so with the feature Voicing, in the bottom of the window Manage Parts:
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Peter Thomsen
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| Posted 3/23/2013 2:26 AM (GMT -6) | | Big Jim Slade said...
Thanks for the info. In regard the first question, I would like to have the brace displayed whenever two staff lines appear in a part (or score) when the part spans two lines.
If there is music in only one staff, I'd just like to see that staff.
If there is music in both staves, I'd like to see both staves joined with a brace…
The brace works for me - without problems.
I think that we need to see an actual .mus document, to clear up why the brace shows up in Scroll View, but not in Page View.
Meanwhile, here is a test you can try:
1. Run the command "Show Empty Staves" on the entire document.
Does that make the brace show up in Page View?
If the brace shows up ip Page View,
2. Run the command "Hide Empty Staves" again.
Does that make the brace disappear again?
Big Jim Slade said...
…The voicing button is grayed out on my some of the parts I'd like to combine but not the others. Any reason for this?
I am sorry - I may have explained this un-clearly.
With the feature "Voicing" you do not "combine staves in the score".
Enter in the score the two parts in separate layers of the same staff, e. g. the upper part in Layer 1, and the lower part in Layer 2.
The feature "Voicing" lets you hide one of the layers, so that you can generate two different 1-staff parts from the same score staff (with 2 layers).
Is that what you need?
Or do you need one 2-staff part that in the score displays as only one staff with 2 layers?
Peter
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Big Jim Slade
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| Posted 3/29/2013 8:40 PM (GMT -6) | | Thanks.
I found my problem with the braces. The default setting when creating a group is to do it for what appears one system. I needed to change to the entire score.
I have set up the separate divisi score lines. As complained about, it is a bit hokey. However, the the composer has strings unison, divisi in 2, and divisi in 3. When it gets to 3, I created a new staff to make things readable (unlike the manuscript). | | Back to Top | |
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