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The Music spacing and Layout settings

Should be a program option (as it is). - 7.7%

Should be a document option. - 84.6%

(do not know; not sure) - 7.7%

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OCTO.
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Posted 3/25/2015 9:27 AM (GMT -6)

Do you think that Music Spacing and Layout settings should be a document based, but not program based option?

Well, documents differ, some need auto spacing some we need to lock down. Agree?

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Knut
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Posted 3/25/2015 3:03 PM (GMT -6)

If this poll ends up unanimously in favour of document options, I wonder what prompted the decision to move the automatic spacing to program options some versions ago.

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OCTO.
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Posted 3/25/2015 5:11 PM (GMT -6)

Was it before in the Document Options?

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Knut
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Posted 3/25/2015 5:23 PM (GMT -6)

Well, now that I think of it, it actually wasn't. It was in one of the main menu categories. Anyway, this made it much more accessible than the current location, buried in the program options, and made it seem like more of a document specific thing.

Peter Thomsen
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Posted 3/25/2015 5:40 PM (GMT -6)

OCTO.,

As Far As I Know, most settings for Music Spacing and Layout are document specific, e. g.
Document Options > Music Spacing
and
Document menu > Page Format > …

The only program specific settings I can find, are the Automatic Settings:
Automatic Music Spacing
Automatic Update Layout

In your poll you are talking about “The Music Spacing and Layout settings”.
Do you mean
Automatic Music Spacing
and
Automatic Update Layout
- and no other settings for Music Spacing and Layout?

Peter

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OCTO.
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Posted 3/26/2015 2:27 AM (GMT -6)

Yes, Peter, you are correct, I mean only the Automatic Settings.

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Peter West
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Posted 3/26/2015 6:53 PM (GMT -6)

Auto spacing, auto update layout, auto lyric extension lines, auto recalculate Multi measure rests. I would prefer to see all of these in document settings

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Posted 3/27/2015 5:48 AM (GMT -6)

Peter West said...
Auto spacing, auto update layout, auto lyric extension lines, auto recalculate Multi measure rests. I would prefer to see all of these in document settings

Aren't the last two in document settings already? I can't see them in Program Preferences, certainly.

There's also an argument that the rest of the Auto settings in Preferences > Edit -- particularly instrument groups and measure numbers -- want to be on a document basis.

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Peter Thomsen
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Posted 3/27/2015 6:08 AM (GMT -6)

While we are at this topic:

I could be wrong here, but I seem to recall that also this automatic setting is program specific rather than document specific:

Page Layout menu > Update Page Format for Score

Would you prefer to have “Update Page Format for Score” as a document specific setting?

Peter

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OCTO.
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Posted 3/27/2015 8:45 AM (GMT -6)

Yes, Layout should be also Document Setting in my opinion, not program (reflow, system locks, auto update layout).

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Peter West
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Posted 3/27/2015 12:33 PM (GMT -6)

Wiggy said...

Peter West said...
Auto spacing, auto update layout, auto lyric extension lines, auto recalculate Multi measure rests. I would prefer to see all of these in document settings

Indeed they are, I'm just saying all of these should be, perhaps together in a single menu subgroup or db

Mike Rosen
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Posted 3/27/2015 1:27 PM (GMT -6)

And I would like to see a setting that would auomatically continue whatever page format you were using when adding new pages, rather than forcing you to go back and "redefine." This action has never made sense to me...

Sorry, OCTO., I didn't mean to hijack the thread!

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Charles Lawrence
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Posted 3/27/2015 1:42 PM (GMT -6)

Mike Rosen said...
And I would like to see a setting that would auomatically continue whatever page format you were using when adding new pages, rather than forcing you to go back and "redefine." This action has never made sense to me...

And of course, if you define your page format in the first place with Document -> Page Format, then any added pages will be created with that format, and you don't have to go back and redefine.

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Peter Thomsen
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Posted 3/27/2015 2:11 PM (GMT -6)

It sounds like “Update Page Format for Score” is de-selected (in the Page Layout menu).

If “Update Page Format for Score” is selected, then any page format changes you do, are automatically updated in {Page Format forScore} so that all new systems/pages will continue whatever page format changes you have done.

The only question that remains, is:

* Mike, would you prefer “Update Page Format for Score” to be program specific, or document specific?

Peter

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Mike Rosen
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Posted 3/27/2015 9:02 PM (GMT -6)

Thanks to Charles and Peter, both. I will check that setting the next time I'm at the computer!

I think that's somethng that could be a program option. I can't foresee NOT wanting that to happen.

Peter Thomsen
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Posted 3/28/2015 4:10 AM (GMT -6)

Mike Rosen said...
Thanks to Charles and Peter, both. I will check that setting the next time I'm at the computer!

I think that's somethng that could be a program option. I can't foresee NOT wanting that to happen.

I could be wrong here, but I think that “Update Page Format for Score” is program specific, rather than document specific.

Perhaps you personally “can't foresee NOT wanting” the automatic update to happen, but imagine this:

Because one of the systems only holds two measures, you make it shorter, e. g. only half of the page width.
Later on you add more systems, and because “Update Page Format for Score” was selected, all the new systems are only half of the page width.

In short:
Sometimes it is best to have “Update Page Format for Score” de-selected, sometimes it is best to have it selected - even when working on the same document.

You can keep “Update Page Format for Score” selected, and make it a habit that you, after an “odd” system margin edit, reset Page Format for Score to “normal”.

Peter

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OCTO.
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Posted 3/28/2015 7:21 AM (GMT -6)

I frequently use JW Spacing.

THEREFORE: spacing should be on the measure-basis. It is entirely IMPOSSIBLE to have the same spacing (Cmd+4) in the whole piece. It doesn't make sense...

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