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goldberg988
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| Posted 8/3/2016 9:46 AM (GMT -6) |   | I would like to place a clef change (new clef) at the beginning of the very first bar of a part, AFTER the standard clef, key signature, and time signature. I can't seem to place it at the beginning of the bar, without Finale changing the "large" clef at the very left.
(The purpose of this is for a horn part, which begins in bass clef. Since horn parts are 90% in treble clef, placing the bass clef AFTER the time signature makes it much less likely that the player will not notice it). | | Back to Top | |
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 8/3/2016 9:55 AM (GMT -6) | | One "trick" would be to place the 2nd clef (bass) in the 2nd measure, then hide the bar line of the 1st measure. You would have to suppress the display of rests in the staff or hide the rest in the 1st measure. The measure widths would need adjusting. You may want to remove the 1st measure from being counted in the measures. You can achieve something like this:
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 8/3/2016 11:26 AM (GMT -6) | | Motet,
Yes, you are correct. That slipped by me.
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goldberg988
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KennethKen
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| Posted 8/3/2016 6:52 PM (GMT -6) | | I do this quite often for cues that are in a different clef that crosses a system break. I don't have my computer irony of me, but if memory serves...
Insert the clef change at beat 2.
Then go into the mid-measure clef's definition dbx and set it to appear just after beat 1. Eg., 1.02epu
Set the horizontal offset to something like -60 or whatever looks go.
Exit the dbx and adjust the vertical position of any note or rest at the start of beat 1 so that it appears in the correct position on the staff.
The playback won't be right for that one note but, for me, it's less hassle than adding a measure, hiding barlines and messing with measure numbers and measure widths.
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KennethKen
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| Posted 8/4/2016 6:09 AM (GMT -6) | | Motet said...
Clever, though the spacing is off (too much where the clef was before thd dbx edit, not enough in its new place), and respacing seems to put the clef back to beat 2.
You should be able to adjust the spacing with the offset setting. The clef doesn't move to beat 2 when I respace. How are you respecting - manually, with the offset setting, with the beat placement?
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Motet
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| Posted 8/4/2016 9:48 AM (GMT -6) | | KennethKen said...
You should be able to adjust the spacing with the offset setting. The clef doesn't move to beat 2 when I respace. How are you respecting - manually, with the offset setting, with the beat placement?
I was able to make space for the clef with the measure spacing handle, but it leaves a hole where the clef used to be. Also, when I try to repitch the note, the clef jumps back. I guess one can repitch the note first. Spacing the measure with the 4 key causes the clef to jump.
Since the clef moves from one side of the note to the other, I guess the best thing is to move that note to the right with the special tools.
I agree that the blank measure solution is not so good, since it affects other parts, as does Peter's solution. Ere's may be the least problemmatic, though a bit cumbersome.
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KennethKen
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| Posted 8/4/2016 11:00 AM (GMT -6) | | Motet said...KennethKen said...
You should be able to adjust the spacing with the offset setting. The clef doesn't move to beat 2 when I respace. How are you respecting - manually, with the offset setting, with the beat placement? I was able to make space for the clef with the measure spacing handle, but it leaves a hole where the clef used to be. Also, when I try to repitch the note, the clef jumps back. I guess one can repitch the note first. Spacing the measure with the 4 key causes the clef to jump. Since the clef moves from one side of the note to the other, I guess the best thing is to move that note to the right with the special tools. I agree that the blank measure solution is not so good, since it affects other parts, as does Peter's solution. Ere's may be the least problemmatic, though a bit cumbersome.
I won't have my computer to reference for another couple weeks, but I don't remember having trouble with the clef placement. This could be because, perhaps, my first note was a quarter or larger (so the 2nd note was far enough to the right where a space wasn't apparent or I used the measure spacing handles to move the notes (not the clef). Sorry, I can't remember. I do remember that note being able to access clefs in the clef selection DBX was a hindrance to creating a Finalescript for this task.
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