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twistiejoe
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| Posted 4/26/2016 11:39 PM (GMT -6) |   | Does anyone have a minute to explain to me the seemingly illogical 'logic' behind Finale and how to change things enharmonically?
I prefer to use Speedy Entry, and I press 9, but the most difficult thing is getting it to change ONE note without changing others.
OR changing ALL the notes in a logical way.
I know there are different enharmonic settings, and I use them, but sometimes they also don't make sense. I have "favour sharps on" but I'm trying to write an F#Major7 chord, so F#A#C#E#, but of course it insists on making the E# and F natural.
Another option I tried was "default spelling" which means it is written as a GbMaj7 chord.
I would ASSUME that if I put the cursor way up above in speedy and press 9, it would chane EVERYTHING enharmonicall, which is what I want, but alas, NO, Finale changes one note at a time, and I keep pressing 9 until it cycles randomly through all these different options until I FINALLY have the right one.
Do I have a setting wrong?
What am I not getting?
Do I just have to keep pressing 9 over and over and over until I get the chord I want? Then if I want the chord repeated over and over it takes me forever.
Hope someone can help me as you can see I'm pretty confused and frustrated with this ...
Thanks!
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Zuill
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| Posted 4/27/2016 5:33 PM (GMT -6) | | The reason I asked is because Speedy has the same respell (enharmonic) feature, unless you are talking about something else. Speedy can also respell chords using the enter key. In other words, with the cursor on a certain note, hold the MIDI keys and press Enter, and the notes become the notes you are holding down.
If I play a chord and get some of the notes a different harmonic, I position the cursor on the note to change and press 9. If I'm off all the notes, as you have observed, you have to toggle between many options. I often quickly go through my entries then go back and spot clean up those enharmonics. If you have 4 quarter note chords in a measure, and all of them have the same enharmonic change, when on the first note, pressing ctrl-9 changes them all.
There are other tricks. Jari's JW Change Pitches plugin can be useful as well. You can even memorize sets that you will use again in the future.
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Vaughan
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| Posted 4/27/2016 6:04 PM (GMT -6) | | twistiejoe said...
... I often enter passages, particularly rhythmic ones with speedy but don't worry about the notes ...
Wouldn't it be better to consider what you're entering while you're entering it than to have to correct everything after the fact? I have easy keystrokes for changing enharmonic spelling from favor sharps to favor flats to using spelling tables, so by the time I've entered the notes, I seldom have to make enharmonic changes. There are always difficult situations which require alteration but there are many ways to minimise the amount of correction needed. If you want F#-A#-C#-E# and the key signature is a key with at least as many sharps as B major, Finale will spell it correctly with Use Spelling Tables selected. If in a key signature like G major, D major, A major or E major, you set the enharmonic spelling to favor sharps, Finale will still spell the F# major 7th correctly. If you're in a key with no sharps, the quickest way to make sure the chord gets spelled correctly is to enter an F maj7 and then just press the + key. All the notes will get moved up a half-step. I sometimes use this method when I need double sharps (or double flats). Otherwise it's quite easy to place the cursor on the note which needs changing and either press the 9 key, or raise or lower the note using + or -. This method will only change the note under the cursor. If you need all the iterations of that particular note in a measure changed, just press alt/option first and all will be changed in one go.
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twistiejoe
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| Posted 4/27/2016 6:16 PM (GMT -6) | | Vaughan, if you are saying that whenever you enter somthing it is perfect the first time, then I need to learn composing and arranging from you!
Besides, what about sketching, and then orchestrating.
That's how I and I assume many others work.
First I sketch, or transcribe the thing I'm arranging by ear, then I orchestrate it out, so of course I need to retain many rhythms but change the pitches to suit different lines, etc. Hope that makes sense.
Anyway your description is helpful, but I'm afraid I still don't understand.
here's an example I'm doing right now -
I'm working in 'open key' because the key signature would just make it too difficult with so many non-diatonically related harmonies.
I'm trying to right an A7 chord, so I need a C# and a G in the trombones on one staff.
When I enter it in speedy with my midi keyboard, I get Db and G, I don't want that.
So then how do I go and make it C# without pressing 9 over and over and over until it cycles through every possibility until I get the one I want?
when there's more notes it gets even more confusing for me.
Can you help me understand what I'm not getting? Is there a faster way?
Thanks.
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Zuill
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| Posted 4/27/2016 7:17 PM (GMT -6) | | I'm not sure you saw what I said about the Enter key in Speedy. The note value stays the same, but the notes change to the new chord. Change a chord with Enter, right arrow, change the next chord. The only thing different from Simple is that in Simple, it automatically proceeds to the next note. But, if you don't want to leave Speedy, the Enter key repitch is the way to go. Also, it is sometimes better for some chords if your fingers get all the notes before you hit Enter. In Simple, if you miss, you have to go back. Also, in Simple, if you don't hit all the notes precisely together, the results can be awkward.
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