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Andy2000
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Posted 2/22/2016 2:10 PM (GMT -6)

Haven't been without it since I bought it, very much worth the money. In a lot of instances it also takes you through other solutions that Faber don't use but are equally valid (she often calls them old-fashioned). I do also find the index a bit useless, but the contents at each section are usually all you need

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David Young : chambermusic
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Posted 2/25/2016 2:50 AM (GMT -6)

Behind Bars is a great book. Maybe it should be called "Between Bars" but that is just me. The book does seem to leave out a couple of matters. if I recall, it does not touch on the controversy of dotted quarter rests in 6/8 meter or 9/8 meter. It does not describe any conventions as to how to draw slurs when the slur comes off a tied note or goes to a tied note (if I recall), especially if the tied note is tied over several measures. It also argues against beaming three 8th notes together in 3/4 time signature (for example a dotted quarter note followed by three 8ths) whereas all the major publishers have no trouble with beaming three 8th notes together in 3/4 meter. There may be one or two other things not mentioned that could have been mentioned, but I can't think of them now. But all in all a very comprehensive book. Perhaps a second edition at some time could address these issues.

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John Ruggero
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Posted 2/25/2016 8:18 AM (GMT -6)

It is not just you, David. I hate the title. "Behind Bars" sounds incarcerated; but "Between Bars" sounds inebriated.

Various other alternatives: "Between the Lines", "Behind the Lines", or maybe they should chuck their attempt at a catchy title for a serious book and just give it a serious title.

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N. Grossingink
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Posted 2/25/2016 11:22 AM (GMT -6)

John Ruggero said...
"Behind Bars" sounds incarcerated;

Heh heh…
www.amazon.com/Behind-Bars-Jeffrey-Ian-Ross/dp/0028643518/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1456417239&sr=1-1&keywords=behind+bars+surviving+prison

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Motet
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Posted 2/25/2016 11:48 AM (GMT -6)

Bar Hopping?
Extraordinary Measures?
Measure for Measure?
Being Crotchety?

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Zuill
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Posted 2/25/2016 12:39 PM (GMT -6)

Way off topic:

Remember this from the Smothers Brothers:

Tommy- (singing) "soap, soap, soap, soap, soap, soap, soap, soap."
Dick-"What's that?"
Tommy- "Oh, about 8 bars."

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Thomas Eberth
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Posted 2/25/2016 2:07 PM (GMT -6)

The German title of the book is: "Hals über Kopf" which could be translated literally as "Stem over Head". But the idiom means "helter-skelter" or "precipitately" and the translation of the word "Hals" is "neck".

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Posted 2/25/2016 3:38 PM (GMT -6)

Zuill said...
Way off topic:

Remember this from the Smothers Brothers:

Tommy- (singing) "soap, soap, soap, soap, soap, soap, soap, soap."
Dick-"What's that?"
Tommy- "Oh, about 8 bars."

Zuill

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John Ruggero
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Posted 2/25/2016 5:05 PM (GMT -6)

Motet, I vote for your Extraordinary Measures. I think it is a terrific title, and they should pay you for it.

Thomas, I think that the German title is just as unfunny as the the English one; sehr taktlos, pun intended.

David Ward
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Posted 2/25/2016 5:11 PM (GMT -6)

John Ruggero said...
Motet, I vote for your Extraordinary Measures. I think it is a terrific title, and they should pay you for it.

Thomas, I think that the German title is just as unfunny as the the English one; sehr taktlos, pun intended.

However, 'measure' as opposed to 'bar' is rarely used by musicians in the UK. Perhaps that is why 'Behind Bars' seems to be a less appreciated title in the US than in the UK (there are most likely other reasons too, but …).

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John Ruggero
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Posted 2/25/2016 5:19 PM (GMT -6)

I forgot that, David. Maybe they can use "Extraordinary Measures" for the US "translation" and "Extraordinary Bars" in the UK!

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Posted 2/25/2016 5:30 PM (GMT -6)

"Bar" is well-understood in the U.S. as well. Crotchets and quavers, not so much.

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Posted 2/27/2016 5:48 AM (GMT -6)

Absolutely perfect and well edited work! The Holy Bible of the music engraves ! :D

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