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Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 11/29/2016 2:33 PM (GMT -6)

I have just installed Finale 25.1 and have discovered conflicts between Version 25.1 and earlier versions when it comes to TGTools Menu Shortcuts (TGTools Lite).

When I go back and forth between v25 and 2014.5, for example, shortcuts change in strange ways (modifier keys added, for example). I have the numberpad 0 used for ties in Speedy entry, but this doesn't work in v25.

I have started a support case, but am wondering if I'm the only one.

Zuill

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Wlgold
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Posted 11/29/2016 2:58 PM (GMT -6)

TGTools menu shortcuts are stored in the registry and the registries are different for 32 and 64-bit programs. There would appear to be a flaw in Finale 25 setup when the keys are copied from one place to another. Having said that, I don't know a quick way to fix it.

For more see
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms724072(v=vs.85).aspx

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Motet
Isorhythmic

Date Joined Dec 2002
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Posted 11/29/2016 3:03 PM (GMT -6)

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but if there are different registry entries, that would seem like a solution rather than a problem.

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Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 11/29/2016 3:20 PM (GMT -6)

It's a real mess. For now, I delete all the shortcuts after working in v25, then recreate them in 2014.5. After working, I delete those, and recreate them in v25. Regardless, the 0 for ties is not usable in v25. Too bad. Lots of extra work. Quite frustrating.

Zuill

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Motet
Isorhythmic

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Posted 11/29/2016 3:28 PM (GMT -6)

It might help to save the registry entry for TGTools. You can then reinstate it by simply double-clicking that .reg file.

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Finale Transposition Chart

Zuill
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Posted 11/29/2016 3:31 PM (GMT -6)

I am hesitant about editing the registry out of an abundance of caution. I don't have that many shortcuts.

Zuill

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Zuill
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Posted 11/29/2016 3:40 PM (GMT -6)

If I look at the shortcuts in v25, they are wonky. If I don't edit them, and then go back to 2014.5, they are still good there. So, I will forgo editing or trying to use any shortcuts in v25 until this gets fixed, which could be a few years.

Zuill

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Motet
Isorhythmic

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Posted 11/29/2016 4:05 PM (GMT -6)

Sounds like, contrary to what Wlgold says, it's using the same registry entry for both versions. It seems likely that no one at MM thought to test this, so do report it if you haven't already.

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Zuill
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Posted 11/30/2016 12:23 AM (GMT -6)

Duly reported.

Zuill

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Piotr Kolodziej
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Posted 11/30/2016 3:21 AM (GMT -6)

Beta version of TGTools 3 use separate place to store keyboard shortcuts in Finale 25

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pianogal
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Posted 11/30/2016 10:47 PM (GMT -6)

Trying to address the same issue, so joining this thread. I don't mess with registries, so if it's not working through TGTools, I'm kinda stuck. Numpad 0 for ties was super-helpful...

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pianogal
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Motet
Isorhythmic

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Posted 12/1/2016 12:13 AM (GMT -6)

You could use Autohotkey to map keypad 0 to T.

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Zuill
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Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 12/2/2016 7:08 PM (GMT -6)

Got the official word that this is definitely an issue. I guess I was the first to notice it. I also guess none of the Beta Testers use the Menu Shortcuts, at least not the Lite version. Maybe the Full version works, but not the Lite. I would like it to be fixed. Maybe in 25.2, maybe in 26.

Zuill

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RMK
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Date Joined Mar 1999
Total Posts : 187

Posted 12/3/2016 11:58 AM (GMT -6)

The full version does work. I was able to map the number-pad 0 to = without a problem.

Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
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Posted 12/3/2016 1:01 PM (GMT -6)

And, do the same shortcuts work in older versions?

Zuill

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RMK
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Posted 12/3/2016 1:30 PM (GMT -6)

Yes.

pianogal
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Posted 12/4/2016 12:01 PM (GMT -6)

In Speedy Entry? How?

pianogal
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Zuill
"The Troll"

Date Joined Oct 2003
Total Posts : 29077

Posted 12/8/2016 3:00 PM (GMT -6)

Well, I downloaded and installed the update to 25.2, and the TGTools Menu Shortcuts is still broken. Hmmm.

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1

Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"

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