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Mike Halloran
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| Posted 12/13/2016 4:53 PM (GMT -6) |   | Dr. Wiggy said...peerlessnerd said...
It’s official. Each Mac I have owned has been supported for a decreasing span of years. Apple has for a long time officially supported Macs for 7 years, and no more. I don't think that has changed.
Officially, it's always been three years, the length of AppleCare.
The early 2009 iMacs cannot run Sierra; the late 2009 iMac can, however as well as the next OS so my 2010 will be seven years and going strong.
Only the earliest G5s lasted longer than 5 years. The late 2005 was done after 4. PPCs could not run OS 10.6, released in 2009 that required an Intel processor. There were G4s from 2006 (Mini, MacBook) that were obsolete within three.
Rosetta for 10.6 allowed many PPC apps to run over 10.6. With Lion (2011), only Universal apps ran on Intel processors. With 10.8.2 (2012), all compatible hardware had to support the 64bit kernel (you could still run apps in 32bit).
Mike Halloran
Finale 25.1 & 2014.5, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.0.7
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DP 9.1, 8.07, 7.24, Logic Pro X 10.2.4, DSP-Quattro, PSP, IK, NI, Eventide, Izotope & Antares plugins
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Zuill
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| Posted 12/12/2016 11:42 PM (GMT -6) | |
Peter Thomsen said...
Zuill said...
Windows does not do that automatically. Obviously Windows and Mac work quite differently … This is really a surprise. Take a look at Page 14 in the attached tutorial document where the trick is mentioned (entering - via computer keyboard and entry caret - a whole note on the second half of a 4/4 measure). I always thought that the tutorial document “EntryExercises” was the same for Windows Finale and Mac Finale. Perhaps I was wrong. Peter
Windows has never worked that way, despite what the tutorial says. Quite a difference between Mac and Windows, I would say.
Zuill
P.S.: Okay, the tutorial is incomplete. it fails to specify computer keyboard with caret. It mentions this in the prior paragraph, but not in the one regarding this feature. I see now Peter did mention this, but I failed to notice it. I primarily use MIDI keyboard, but occasionally mouse in Simple for editing purposes. Rarely QWERTY entry. I now see this behavior with that method. I have always been careful to not enter the wrong number of notes in a measure, so I would not have tried to force the extra note value. The manual fails to describe this, from what I could find. And the tutorial should have mentioned specifically keyboard with caret. Oh well, another one of those lack of proper documentation issues, I guess.
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.2
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Zuill
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| Posted 12/12/2016 10:17 AM (GMT -6) | |
Dr. Wiggy said...
Zuill said...
Regarding the tied note over the barline, I'm not sure that works in Windows. What steps do you use? In Simple Entry with a 4/4 measure: 1. Add a Quarter note F#. 2. Add a Half note G. 3. Add a Half on the F pitch, without selecting 1/2 or # in the palette. 4. Add another F in the new measure. Voilà: both sides of the tie are at the correct pitch, and the next F in the measure will also have the sharp. Previously, one would have to manually add the accidental to the second note of the tie, (although it doesn't display, so you can't tell until playback).
Windows doesn't behave that way. I'm entering with the mouse. I also tried with the QWERTY keyboard.
Zuill
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.2
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MikeHalloran
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| Posted 12/12/2016 6:13 AM (GMT -6) | | peerlessnerd said...
To be more clear, the reason I haven’t moved to Sierra was due to described issues here on the forum by Ed Cupman and others involving pallet display bugs and other issues relative to 2014.5 and 25.1 on Sierra as opposed to El Capitan.
As was widely reported, that was fixed in 25.1 and is unchanged in 25.2.
[quote"peerlessnerd"]Again, my point here is that 2014.5 opens elderly files which refuse to open in 25.1 or 25.2 under El Capitan. The workaround is to open these elderly files in 2014.5, save them, then open and save those 2014…
I have files going back to 1991. Haven't experienced this. I remember adding the .mus suffix to many old files around 15 years ago (OS 10.2?). Perhaps doing that bit of maintenance back then is why... don't know.
I have not pulled 2014.5 from my system--or 2011 for that matter. Yes, the JW plugs in 64bit will be nice but it's not essential I have them Right Now! Since I upgraded to SmartScore Pro in 2010 and X2 in 2012, it doesn't affect me that the SmartScore Lite functions are gone. Pro is a major time saver and has paid for itself many times over, IMO.
Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2011c, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5
2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12.1
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Dr. Wiggy
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| Posted 12/11/2016 5:23 AM (GMT -6) | | peerlessnerd said...
Also, I am still in El Capitan, waiting like the rest of us for Jari to come to the rescue before moving to Sierra, though the improvements in 25.2 seems to have fixed the issues holding me back on the latest operating system.
As far as I know, there's no issues with using Jari's plug-ins on Sierra. I can use them in 2014.5 on Sierra and they seem to work fine. The issue is simply getting new 64-bit plug-ins for Finale 25, whatever the OS.
jasako said...peerlessnerd said...
Fellow Finale dinosaurs, don't throw away 2014.5 if you have old files, otherwise they might never open again. I too have kept 2014.5 on my machines, like virtually everyone else here it seems. Backwards compatibility means I can batch run all those lovely plugins on scores I have "finished off" in F25
However, don't forget that loading and saving on 2014.5 removes any "newer" features. I wanted to run some plug-ins on a document with dashed slurs, and they all got changed -- not to dashed curves, but to Flipped Slurs! I "corrected" several by flipping them back before I realised what had happened.
Finale v.25.1, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6 / 10.12.1)
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peerlessnerd
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| Posted 12/11/2016 2:53 AM (GMT -6) | | Crossed all appendages and installed 25.2 on my ancient MacPro. My installation appeared to "hang" like Bill Stevens above. Actually, the "Installing Update" splash screen simply failed to disappear. If you look at Bill's attachment, you will notice the "Continue" button is visible in the background. If you click on the Continue button, the Installing Update screen disappears, and the installation continues. I did have to wait a while for the Continue button to appear in the background, maybe a minute or two with my slow ISP. (At least that's how it worked on my machine.)
25.2 runs fine on my MacPro after 5 hours work thus far.
I do not have numerous Finalescripts like Vaughan. That appears the likely problem for him, which was solved by Dr. Wiggy.
Also, I am still in El Capitan, waiting like the rest of us for Jari to come to the rescue before moving to Sierra, though the improvements in 25.2 seems to have fixed the issues holding me back on the latest operating system.
I have noticed something disturbing. Both 25.1 and 25.2 hangs when opening elderly Finale files. Working to determine exactly how old, but files created prior to linked parts seem to be the issue. 2014.5 DOES open most files prior the .mus format. For really ancient files you must add .mus to each file name. (Thanks Dr. Wiggy)
So MacPro users, Finale 25.2 DOES load and run on MacPro, but beware of Finalescripts, and perhaps elderly Finale files.
Fellow Finale dinosaurs, don't throw away 2014.5 if you have old files, otherwise they might never open again. My thanks to jasako "down under" for his response.
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MikeHalloran
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| Posted 12/10/2016 12:05 PM (GMT -6) | | Vaughan said...
Mike, I haven't noticed how they function differently. Can you explain?
/makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/239585788-V25-2-update-BUG
Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2011c, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5
2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12.1
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