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BopEuph
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Posted 7/16/2012 8:27 PM (GMT -6)

Found this on the V.I. Control forum:

With the recent news of the cutbacks happening to Sibelius, now comes the news that Launch EquityPartners wants to purchase MakeMusic. Whatever happens, things certainly won't be boring.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/920707/000092189512001507/ex99113da807845 mak_071512.htm

http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=555

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JustinP
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Posted 7/16/2012 8:35 PM (GMT -6)

Please see my post here:

forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=374056

Justin Phillips
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Scott Hirsch (Coach)
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Posted 7/16/2012 8:37 PM (GMT -6)

Hey Bop,

Here is some more information already in the Mac forum. Let us know if there are any further questions! Personally (as an individual user), I certainly do not see this being a bad thing for the company.

http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=374056

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Scott Hirsch (Coach)
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Posted 7/16/2012 8:38 PM (GMT -6)

DOH! Justin....you are too fast! ;)

Michel R. E.
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Posted 7/16/2012 11:39 PM (GMT -6)

Scott H. MakeMusic said...
DOH! Justin....you are too fast! ;)

and Justin made HIS link clickable

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BopEuph
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Posted 7/17/2012 8:05 AM (GMT -6)

Man, you guys were quick!

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Dr. Wiggy
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Posted 7/17/2012 8:22 AM (GMT -6)

As I've said on the other thread, the SEC filed letter makes for interesting reading. It seems the equity firm is MM's largest shareholder, but is unhappy with the turnover of CEOs and underperformance. So they want to take control (buy it), invest in it, and lead it forward.

This is potentially very good news.

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BopEuph
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Posted 7/17/2012 9:01 AM (GMT -6)

Hey, maybe some more bug fixes will be in the works, rather than "new features"!

Or have most of the bugs been fixed?

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Zuill
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Posted 7/17/2012 9:32 AM (GMT -6)

You've got to be kidding! Some bugs got fixed, but many new ones got added. Maybe they have been reading this forum and decided something needs to be done.

Zuill

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Vaughan
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Posted 7/17/2012 9:55 AM (GMT -6)

The SEC letter is indeed interesting reading. Apropos of Bop's question, I found the following remark to be especially salient: 'we believe that the source code base of Finale and the other notation products is near end of life and significant financial resources are necessary to update and refresh the notation product line.' This is something many of us have been complaining about for years. We are often aware of Finale's source code as being old and new features sometimes seem like patches instead of structural rewrites. Modernizing the source code would be the only way of dealing with a lot of the old bugs. As Wiggy said, potentially Very Good News.

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BopEuph
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Posted 7/17/2012 10:24 AM (GMT -6)

Zuill said...
You've got to be kidding! Some bugs got fixed, but many new ones got added. Maybe they have been reading this forum and decided something needs to be done.

Zuill

Here's hoping!

Vaughan said...
The SEC letter is indeed interesting reading. Apropos of Bop's question, I found the following remark to be especially salient: 'we believe that the source code base of Finale and the other notation products is near end of life and significant financial resources are necessary to update and refresh the notation product line.' This is something many of us have been complaining about for years. We are often aware of Finale's source code as being old and new features sometimes seem like patches instead of structural rewrites. Modernizing the source code would be the only way of dealing with a lot of the old bugs. As Wiggy said, potentially Very Good News.

That would be awesome! Though, it would suck if we have to completely relearn how the program works. Hopefully they keep things on the surface very similar.

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Jari Williamsson
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Posted 7/17/2012 11:06 AM (GMT -6)

BopEuph said...
Though, it would suck if we have to completely relearn how the program works. Hopefully they keep things on the surface very similar.

Since you're on 2005, things are already working quite differently in many areas. The code base and how the program works are not necessarily related.

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Flint
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Posted 7/17/2012 11:54 AM (GMT -6)

Jari's correct, the program is already very different from Finale 2005. Non-adopters are already missing out on plenty of time-saving features that have already changed how Finale works.

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tbmartin
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Posted 7/17/2012 12:25 PM (GMT -6)

... but adopters are missing plenty of money-saving features of not buying a new version!

I'm speaking as a true hobbiest here. If music were my career and Finale a key tool that I needed, I certainly would have upgraded years ago! But for what I do, F2003 still serves me fine. But for those of you who DO depend on Finale as a career tool, I certainly hope that this turns into good news.

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Saffron
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Posted 7/17/2012 12:38 PM (GMT -6)

tbmartin said...
... but adopters are missing plenty of money-saving features of not buying a new version!

Music IS my career - well, half of it, the half when I'm not writing Prolog compilers - and I still find Finale 2005b the perfect "sweet-spot" of features and bug fixes, before which and since which I've not been as happy.

Brian

Zuill
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Posted 7/17/2012 12:56 PM (GMT -6)

I must say that my move to 2011 and 2012 have been productive. There are features which have sped up my worflow. However, there have been many more workarounds, as things like changes in spacing operation and lyric and chord tool changes have caused a lot more waste of time. I think, percentage-wise, I am ahead. However, I am not as happy with the overall look of the final product than I used to be.

As I have said before, Bill Wolff tried to do a lot to complete revamp the product, then he was gone. Maybe they will bring him back.

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BopEuph
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Posted 7/17/2012 12:57 PM (GMT -6)

Saffron said...
Music IS my career - well, half of it, the half when I'm not writing Prolog compilers - and I still find Finale 2005b the perfect "sweet-spot" of features and bug fixes, before which and since which I've not been as happy.

Brian

Same here. But I will be updating soon.

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EpeeDad
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Posted 7/17/2012 1:43 PM (GMT -6)

Interesting indeed, and not unexpected. The handwriting was on the wall with the leaving of the CEO last month. Launch EquityPartners currently owns 38% of MM so I suspect they are very deeply involved already. From a stockholder perspective, this looks like a reasonable offer.

Interesting also is the comment that the code base is at end or life and needs significant investment. Again, no suprise. We've all seen evidence of this. I wonder what the dispostion will be for the assetts recentely acquired (Garritan, Recordare). Will they be put on the block for sale as part of "disposition of assets"?

Justin, watch your back, these acquistions can be very dicey for staff. I've been down that road a number of times in the last three decades. One former CEO (Ebbers) is now sitting in federal prison with a room-mate named Bubba for fudging the numbers. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :)

Hopefully all works out well.

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Zuill
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Posted 7/17/2012 1:54 PM (GMT -6)

I'm glad Nick used the term updating instead of upgrading!?!?

Zuill

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BopEuph
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Posted 7/17/2012 2:13 PM (GMT -6)

Hey, aren't they the same implication with as far behind as I am?!

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Zuill
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Posted 7/17/2012 2:15 PM (GMT -6)

Update is something newer, upgrade is something better.

Zuill

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BopEuph
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Posted 7/17/2012 2:17 PM (GMT -6)

Ah. I see. So was I in the right, then?

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Zuill
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Posted 7/17/2012 2:24 PM (GMT -6)

And that might be what the buyout is all about. They might want to upgrade the product, instead of just updating. I'll keep my fingers crossed (even my eyes, if that's what it takes).

Zuill

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Motet
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Posted 7/17/2012 4:12 PM (GMT -6)

The SEC letter is indeed encouraging. Since most bugs don't get fixed, perhaps the state of the source code is a real issue. Rewriting Finale from scratch doesn't seen practical, though.

Like Brian, I resisted upgrading, but I think it was a mistake--when I finally upgraded from 2005 to 2011 I found the improvement was very significant. When I go back to 2005 now to tweak an old piece it's--pardon the cliche--like having one hand tied behind my back.

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JustinP
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Posted 7/17/2012 8:04 PM (GMT -6)

If you've seen some of my recent blog posts and updates, we're already heading down that path and have been since the launch of 2012:

blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.aspx

Justin Phillips
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