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  		   Posted 12/23/2016 6:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Which of these would you prefer? "A" is Finale's setting. and "B" is a custom setting.

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  		   Posted 12/23/2016 6:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'd prefer another Christmas carol... but for the engraving, my preference is for A.

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  		   Posted 12/23/2016 6:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A, without a doubt. Why flip the stems to the wrong direction, as in B?

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  		   Posted 12/23/2016 7:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Agreed. Not sure why you'd want to do B.

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Another A vote.


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  		   Posted 12/23/2016 11:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A.

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I think there might have been concern about the look of tying the stems up notes to the stems down notes. That's all I can think of.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 1:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michel R. E. said...
I'd prefer another Christmas carol... but for the engraving, my preference is for A.


Would you actually tell that to a client who'd asked for an arrangement/??

Motet said...
Agreed. Not sure why you'd want to do B.


B preserves the delineation of the two lines/voices. It is more obvious in the entire arrangement.

Zuill said...
I think there might have been concern about the look of tying the stems up notes to the stems down notes. That's all I can think of.

Zuill


This was a secondary consideration. How do you feel about this? It looks odd to me, and is, in fact, what made me post the question in the first place.

FYIL this is an arrangement for handbells (though the part is labeled "Piano" in the example.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 1:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If there was a rest in Layer 1 in those measures (the downstem notes being Layer 2), then it would have made more sense.

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Pianists are used to sorting out lines regardless of stems or even staves.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 2:08 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
If there was a rest in Layer 1 in those measures (the downstem notes being Layer 2), then it would have made more sense.

Zuill


I agree with you here, Zuill. But I think I will use option B, though, given the audience. This is for a community handbell choir comprised of mostly non-musicians. Less "stuff" on the page seems easier for them to digest.

But I am getting that the consensus is A for formal publication.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 5:01 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Definitely A, or B but with a whole rest in the top voice and stems AND slurs flipped downwards, IOW, the Finale default. As it is, B simply looks wrong.

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Since Handbell arrangements are played by the bell rather than by the voice line (and since the notes from the start are part of the melody, I'd go with A. Why have players wonder why the stems look odd when they can just play the notes?

(I've arranged for Handbells in the past.)

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 12:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah, I missed that it was for handbells. Yes, handbells are the ultimate opposite of counterpoint!

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 5:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan said...
Definitely A, or B but with a whole rest in the top voice and stems AND slurs flipped downwards, IOW, the Finale default. As it is, B simply looks wrong.

I see no slurs in the example.
Do you perhaps mean ties?

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  		   Posted 12/25/2016 4:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I did indeed mean ties. Sorry, although this would go for slurs, as well (if there were any)!

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