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Mike Rosen
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| Posted 12/3/2016 3:14 PM (GMT -6) |   | | |
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Messy Piano
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Date Joined May 2006
Total Posts : 67
| Posted 12/4/2016 10:37 AM (GMT -6) | | | Please don't shut this forum down! You have something very special here that few companies can say they have, and I don't think your marketing department appreciates it. I've been reading it for years and if it were not for the help from this forum, I probably would not be a Finale user. Please reconsider! | | Back to Top | |
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SF
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Date Joined Dec 2001
Total Posts : 1555
| Posted 12/4/2016 11:09 PM (GMT -6) | | I understand why they are moving/consolidating the forums. I would suggest moving over but supplementing it with the oldest and most detailed forum that forced MM to create a forum in the first place. The forum that provided Tobias input to create TGTools. /lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale It's still "old school" based on emails but the discussions can be quite detailed. Mostly pro people but a variety of skills and everyone is extremely helpful. Enjoy.
SF
MPB 17" 3Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8GB, 10.6.8 and 10.11.6
MacPro (mid 2010) 2.8 Ghz Qual-Core Intel Xeon, 16GB, 10.8.5, 10.11.6, 10.12 Three 27" Apple Displays
Finale 2.6.3-->25, Sib. 3.0-->7.5, Logic X, QuicKeys 4.0.7, DoubleCommand DoubleCommand, Mouse Locator Mouse Locator | | Back to Top | |
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bvstudios
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Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 156
| Posted 12/4/2016 11:28 PM (GMT -6) | | If I may be so bold, but perhaps we could all consider sending our notes direct to the source? We are all pretty much in agreement here, but it may have more effect if we sent our sentinments directly to Adam and Co via PM.
Just my Sunday thoughts.
K M Frye
Finale 2014.5, PM 2011, 2010, 2007, 2005, 2003, 2000
GPO4, WORLD, JABB3
M-Audio, Boss JS8, Roland VSC-55 Sound Canvas, Rhodes 660 workstation, Roland MC-50 composer (yeh- it's old, but it works if you can find the floppies), Reaper 4.32
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Mike Halloran
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Date Joined Jun 2009
Total Posts : 105
| Posted 12/5/2016 1:38 PM (GMT -6) | | michelp said...Adam W. said...
There's been some consistent feedback that the design of the new platform is a bit clunky and difficult to navigate and use. To begin, can you help me better understand some specific design elements you'd change to improve the overall flow (Wider margins, a Mac-specific section etc.)? Adam, As a point of departure, just list the things you can do here (in this "antique" forum) and that you cannot do in the new forum. I'm not referring to "wider margins" ! The new forum will only attract us if it offers as much or better functionality. A few examples : • a user profile is a must (Version of Finale, OS) • a signature with those data, immediately visible • sub sections (Mac, PC, and why not : basic questions, graphical/visual, audio, plug-ins) • more attachement formats (Finale files, mp3, mp4...) • an answered thread should come back to the TOP of the list, not disappear down the list • read/unread postings • a way to easily spot our own contributions • possibility to delete a post completely, not only erasing its content • search on a poster's name (his posts) • number of members • who is on-line ? • polls • + see other members remarks I'm still trying to be positive, but on your side, please open your eyes. If the idea to centralize things means losing the contributions made by your professional users, MakeMusic will be the final loser. Ask yourself the question why the new forum is so quiet...
In short: The new forum is terrible for all of the reasons mentioned above. I am someone who is active on it.
Mike Halloran
Finale 25.1 & 2014.5, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.0.7
2010 iMac 2.93G i7 Quad w/ OWC eSATA mod, 20G RAM, OS 10.12.1, 2T SSD
DP 9.1, 8.07, 7.24, Logic Pro X 10.2.4, DSP-Quattro, PSP, IK, NI, Eventide, Izotope & Antares plugins
G4 running OS 10.4.11 & 9.2 with legacy apps | | Back to Top | |
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Motet
Isorhythmic
Date Joined Dec 2002
Total Posts : 12849
| Posted 12/5/2016 1:43 PM (GMT -6) | | | |
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Adam W.
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Date Joined Aug 2008
Total Posts : 54
| Posted 12/6/2016 4:17 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi Everyone,
Some of the functionality requests mentioned previously do exist in the new platform, so I'll take a moment to outline those features:
- Ability to add/edit a user profile: While the capability is not as robust, there is a 'Description' field that can be edited to include any personal information you'd like. This can be accomplished by navigating to 'My Profile': http://www.screencast.com/t/8QNZ6rWiC and then selecting 'Edit Profile'. You'll see your description information listed beneath your name: http://screencast.com/t/dhQifiyf0a
- Easily spot your own contributions: You'll find a list of your contributions (public community posts) and any previous support tickets listed in the 'My Profile' section.
- Searching on a poster's name: While you can't do a direct search for a posters name, we'll be enabling the ability to view another user's profile. This will include the ability to see their previous public posts and even subscribe to be notified wen they've made a new post.
- Getting a newly updated thread back to the top of the list in order to maintain relevancy: While the new platform doesn't explicitly do this, we will be enabling the ability to follow a specific thread so that you can be notified when an update is made.
I recognize that there are many other specific pieces of functionality not listed above that are important to this group. While the new community doesn't currently offer each feature requested so far, it's my goal to continually improve the interface to make it a worthwhile tool for you. Realistically, a portion of that progress is dependent upon feature development by ZenDesk itself and we'll continue to push them to widen the breadth of their options as well. | | Back to Top | |
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Zuill
"The Troll"
Date Joined Oct 2003
Total Posts : 29077
| Posted 12/6/2016 4:28 PM (GMT -6) | | So, why don't you wait to close this forum until you can duplicate all the necessary features? If it is anything like waiting for bug fixes in Finale, I'm fearful we'll be waiting for quite some time.
Bottom line: is your goal to drive us long time users and gurus away? If so, you have succeeded.
Zuill
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!" | | Back to Top | |
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Motet
Isorhythmic
Date Joined Dec 2002
Total Posts : 12849
| Posted 12/6/2016 4:29 PM (GMT -6) | | | |
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NickG
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Date Joined Feb 2008
Total Posts : 362
| Posted 12/6/2016 6:55 PM (GMT -6) | | David Ward said...Zuill said...
… … Bottom line: is your goal to drive us long time users and gurus away? If so, you have succeeded. In my case along with several other users to www.finaleforum.com/ (and also OCTO's notat.io/ for more specialist notation/engraving questions and discussions). This has not been handled well. No serious attempt at conciliation, no sufficiently convincing explanation as to why this forum must close, and no provision by MM of an adequately viable alternative: instead just a brick wall of refusing to listen. Why?
Because they can. How many will stop using Finale?
NickG
MacBook Pro Retina Display, 16 gig ram, 1TB SSD.
MacOS Sierra
Finale 2008, 2010, 2011b, 2012a, 2012c, 2014d, 25.1
Sibelius 1, 2, 3, 7.5
Logic Pro X
Cubase 7.5
GPO 4
Steinber UR44
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Writer of Music
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Date Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts : 848
| Posted 12/7/2016 10:40 AM (GMT -6) | | Mike Rosen said...
Short term, I doubt it will matter. People aren't going to switch programs because of this.
I'm not so sure about that. I for one would have switched to another notation program long ago if it weren't for being able to rely on the experienced, knowledgeable and speedy answers, most of the time not restricted to a one dimensional answer, but several solutions, from different angels with pros and cons discussed.
This is not a merit of MakeMusic, who after all only incited me to consider switching to another program in the first place by neglecting to fix numerous bugs. It's solely the merit of the community and in particular of a number of people who spent a huge amount of time on this board to help others.
When this community disintegrates and one has to scan the web for any help at all, 25 will be the last disappointing version of Finale I have bought.
Mike Rosen said...
Long term, it will hurt them. It's pretty obvious that the majority of this village aren't going to migrate to the new forum. New users will feel the lack the most, because the "customer success" team hasn't got nearly the experience and background that the rest of us bring to the table.
I think that new customers will feel the loss the least, because they wil not know any better. They haven't grown accustomed to, nay: dependant on this community.
Finale 25.
Mac OS X 10.11.6. | | Back to Top | |
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rumsong
Registered Member
Date Joined Dec 2003
Total Posts : 126
| Posted 12/7/2016 11:43 AM (GMT -6) | | Greetings,
This forum has been an invaluable source of knowledge and help in my work with Finale. There will be a credit of thanks to forum members (general only for the sake of privacy) when the project I am working on is done.
I am opposed to the closing of this forum. I believe MM is making a serious mistake.
It is also interesting that they choose to spend time on THIS, when they could do so much to improve their product and remove bugs. I respectfully suggest that this is an issue of 'style over substance'. Thus, I think the reason might be found in how 'old fashioned' this forum is. As J. Barzun said somewhere "Who would wear their grandmother's hat?"
Sadly, if the hat works, then to get rid of it when there is still rain is not wise. Since Finale is a very difficult programme to learn, since there are numerous bugs, since there are things that need to be done that seem to require undocumented work-arounds and since MM does not have the resources to answer these questions promptly, access to this forum is only way to effectively (that is, at a high level) use the programme. It depends on the kindness of others -- something that is in great abundance here. As well, absolute newbies are often welcomed and assisted as they start the vertical ascent learning curve of Finale.
Further, MM does not realize the value of this forum. Instead of pictures of quaint people 'doing' stuff with Finale in their promotions and ads, the company could draw attention to the remarkable number of master musicians, engravers, and editors who inhabit this zone. These are the people who prove the value of the product in the profession.
Second, Finale would also do well to closely monitor these posts and make EVERY effort to correct problems, simplify programme processes and take suggestions for new features and enhancements. I do not believe they do this as a high priority.
MM is alienating its most devoted user base. Sad.
All best wishes,
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Juraj Bartos
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Date Joined Jan 1999
Total Posts : 492
| Posted 12/8/2016 4:32 AM (GMT -6) | | Is there any chance to move all the content of this forum to some safe place and run it independently of those "brains" from MM?
Just asking.
I found many times solution here when MM Support could not find it and I am really frustrated to loose this great opportunity to find an answer, often in the middle of the night and within a minute.
Juraj Bartos, www.serenaders.sk
Finale 2001-2012c, Finale 2014.5, Finale 25
Tobias Giesen TGTools, Patterson Plugins, Jari Williamsson Plugins
Pro Tools 11.3.1, Waves Platinum, Sibelius 7,
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Mike Rosen
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Date Joined Feb 2006
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