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![](posticons/transdot.gif) ![](posticons/transdot.gif) | ![](posticons/transdot.gif) Zuill "The Troll"
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![Email Address Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/mail_off.gif) ![Personal Homepage Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/home_off.gif) ![Send a Private Message to Zuill](styles/makemusic/images/pm_on.gif) ![AIM Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/aim_off.gif) ![ICQ Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/icq_off.gif) ![Y! Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/y_off.gif) ![MSN Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/msn_off.gif) Date Joined Oct 2003 Total Posts : 29077 | Posted 3/25/2014 10:30 AM (GMT -6) | ![Quote This Post](styles/makemusic/images/quotebtn.gif) ![Alert An Admin About This Post.](styles/makemusic/images/alertbtn.gif) | When I used Clear Selected Items, and only chose the item for Dynamics, etc., it fixed the tempo issue (at least the first one). I've got more sleuthing to do.
Zuill "When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Finale 2002b, 2003a, 2004b, 2005b, Win XP SP3, 2011b Win 7 64bit, 2012a Bought and Paid For (Hopefully soon 2012b with some of the MAJOR BUGS fixed--well, now with 2012b and some of the bugs are fixed) 2012c, with some bug fixes. 2014a now.
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![Email Address Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/mail_off.gif) ![Personal Homepage Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/home_off.gif) ![Send a Private Message to Zuill](styles/makemusic/images/pm_on.gif) ![AIM Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/aim_off.gif) ![ICQ Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/icq_off.gif) ![Y! Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/y_off.gif) ![MSN Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/msn_off.gif) Date Joined Oct 2003 Total Posts : 29077 | Posted 3/25/2014 1:40 PM (GMT -6) | ![Quote This Post](styles/makemusic/images/quotebtn.gif) ![Alert An Admin About This Post.](styles/makemusic/images/alertbtn.gif) | I can tell you one thing: you have an expression in Miscellaneous called "Slower than the beginning". I deleted it. It gave me a warning that it was being used in the score. i couldn't find where, even in scroll view when I could see the hidden staves. After that, the slowdown in the beginning section disappeared.
Check that out and do some more exploring. You've got quite a mess with all the duplicate expressions in Miscellaneous.
Anyway, I gave you a place to start.
Zuill "When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Finale 2002b, 2003a, 2004b, 2005b, Win XP SP3, 2011b Win 7 64bit, 2012a Bought and Paid For (Hopefully soon 2012b with some of the MAJOR BUGS fixed--well, now with 2012b and some of the bugs are fixed) 2012c, with some bug fixes. 2014a now.
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![Email Address Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/mail_off.gif) ![Personal Homepage Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/home_off.gif) ![Send a Private Message to Zuill](styles/makemusic/images/pm_on.gif) ![AIM Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/aim_off.gif) ![ICQ Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/icq_off.gif) ![Y! Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/y_off.gif) ![MSN Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/msn_off.gif) Date Joined Oct 2003 Total Posts : 29077 | Posted 3/25/2014 2:14 PM (GMT -6) | ![Quote This Post](styles/makemusic/images/quotebtn.gif) ![Alert An Admin About This Post.](styles/makemusic/images/alertbtn.gif) | I went through the parts one at a time and found that in Cello I, that expression was set to only show in the Part. That's why I couldn't see it in the score. It was affecting the tempo for everyone, but you couldn't see it. The Rollantando was there as well.
You've got a mess on your hands. Time to go through with a fine toothed comb and clean it up.
By the way: when you play one part at a time (in Part view), that expression does not affect the other parts. That was one method used in my troubleshooting.
Zuill
P.S.: That Cello I part also has an accel. at bar 46. I think you need to look at that part as the source of your tempo problems. How did that all get there? "When all is said and done, more is said than done."
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![Email Address Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/mail_off.gif) ![Personal Homepage Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/home_off.gif) ![Send a Private Message to Ronwass](styles/makemusic/images/pm_on.gif) ![AIM Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/aim_off.gif) ![ICQ Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/icq_off.gif) ![Y! Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/y_off.gif) ![MSN Not Available](styles/makemusic/images/msn_off.gif) Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1492 | Posted 3/25/2014 7:25 PM (GMT -6) | ![Quote This Post](styles/makemusic/images/quotebtn.gif) ![Alert An Admin About This Post.](styles/makemusic/images/alertbtn.gif) | Wow. I have no idea how those expressions got into the parts. I did some copying from another document that was a different arrangement of this same piece, although those expressions wouldn't have belonged there either. the rollantando expression is on a bunch of the parts.
The "slower than at the beginning," was from another piece, although I used that piece as a template for this one. But as I recall, I kept the template at about 1 measure, so I can't imagine how the ghost expressions appeared.
Thanks so much master zuill. Ron Wasserman F2014a user since F2000 Desktop: 2012 i5 Macmini 4g ram OS X 10.9 Laptop: Intel Dual Core, 2g ram, Windows 7 Casio Keyboard midi out to edirol to usb TG Tools full version
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Zuill
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Finale 2002b, 2003a, 2004b, 2005b, Win XP SP3, 2011b Win 7 64bit, 2012a Bought and Paid For (Hopefully soon 2012b with some of the MAJOR BUGS fixed--well, now with 2012b and some of the bugs are fixed) 2012c, with some bug fixes. 2014a now.
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