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korgo
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 9
| Posted 1/13/2014 7:00 AM (GMT -6) |   | I've only been working with Fin2014 Mac for about two weeks, now, and I have written already 15 emails to the German support about bugs. The newest addition is that the delete key on the mac keyboard (not the backspace key) is not working at all. I cannot delete the content of a bar, nor a note out of a chord, nor turn a note into a rest. All those things I frequently used the delete key for. However, if I navigate thru menus and hit the exact same function (with the delete key displayed as shortcut next to it) it works.
And that's only one of many issues.
The most obvious and frankly most annoying and questionable feature is, that EVERY operation in Fin2014 is at least half as fast as it was under Fin2011. Scrolling thru large scores is absolutely impossible and drives me nuts. There is a huge delay before audio playback starts and on and on and on... I am on a 2.8GHz Quadcore iMac with 8GB RAM and an SSD... Fin2011 still runs fast es ever. Clean installed Mavericks!
Why, why, why is a program published in 2013 running drastically slower on a recent OS, than an old program published in 2010 on the same OS? Fin2011 isn't even officially supported to run on 10.8 or 10.9!
Makes absolutely no sense at all! | | Back to Top | |
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Jari Williamsson
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Date Joined Dec 1998
Total Posts : 3246
| Posted 1/13/2014 8:15 AM (GMT -6) | | korgo said...
The most obvious and frankly most annoying and questionable feature is, that EVERY operation in Fin2014 is at least half as fast as it was under Fin2011. Scrolling thru large scores is absolutely impossible and drives me nuts. There is a huge delay before audio playback starts and on and on and on... I am on a 2.8GHz Quadcore iMac with 8GB RAM and an SSD... Fin2011 still runs fast es ever. Clean installed Mavericks!
Why, why, why is a program published in 2013 running drastically slower on a recent OS, than an old program published in 2010 on the same OS? Fin2011 isn't even officially supported to run on 10.8 or 10.9!
Makes absolutely no sense at all!
The Carbon Code in 2011 got about 10 years of optimization work, while the Cocoa code in 2014 has a couple of months since its initial release?
Anyhow, on my iMac 2014 runs faster than 2012 in terms of drawing speed, so it might be hardware/driver-dependent. Make sure to get the performance issue confirmed for your configuration (perhaps would be better to get MM's attention on the subject rather than the German support).
Smartshape pre-processing using HP is much slower during playback in 2014 than in 2012 on both Windows and Mac, but I believe that's a confirmed issue.
Jari Williamsson
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korgo
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Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 9
| Posted 1/13/2014 11:15 AM (GMT -6) | | | I don't even use any sort of playback processing... I just play from left to right, no dynamics, nothing. Garritan J&BB library. That's it. I found soooo many bugs within just two weeks, it drives me nuts. Is there a place where all the bugs are listed in short form on this site? | | Back to Top | |
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E*L*B*
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Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 9
| Posted 4/29/2014 5:59 PM (GMT -6) | | I am through with Finale. Seriously finished. I tried to resolve my problems with tech support - the guy had never heard of the raft of problems I was experiencing: crashing every half hour, random music being deleted and then re-pasted in random other parts of the score, inability to work with arrow keys. And the biggest, hugest problem: auto save does not work. I had it set to save every minute (because it kept crashing) I just worked on a complex piece for three hours. Crash. NOTHING WAS SAVED. Even the saves I did manually every time I remembered were not registered. I tried to reply to the message I'd gotten from Make Music about the tech support call but apparently I'm not even 'in the system' any more, even though I replied to the message I had been sent.
This has been fourteen years of working with an incredibly buggy, problematic, unwieldy and astonishingly user-unfriendly program. This is the last straw. I am switching to Sibelius, as dozens of my composer friends have urged me to do.
xxxx you, Finale. xxxx you forever. | | Back to Top | |
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Flint
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Date Joined Oct 2006
Total Posts : 3151
| Posted 4/29/2014 7:23 PM (GMT -6) | | E*L*B* said...
I am through with Finale. Seriously finished. I tried to resolve my problems with tech support - the guy had never heard of the raft of problems I was experiencing: crashing every half hour, random music being deleted and then re-pasted in random other parts of the score, inability to work with arrow keys. And the biggest, hugest problem: auto save does not work. I had it set to save every minute (because it kept crashing) I just worked on a complex piece for three hours. Crash. NOTHING WAS SAVED. Even the saves I did manually every time I remembered were not registered. I tried to reply to the message I'd gotten from Make Music about the tech support call but apparently I'm not even 'in the system' any more, even though I replied to the message I had been sent.
This has been fourteen years of working with an incredibly buggy, problematic, unwieldy and astonishingly user-unfriendly program. This is the last straw. I am switching to Sibelius, as dozens of my composer friends have urged me to do.
xxxx you, Finale. xxxx you forever.
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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read | | Back to Top | |
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Dr. Wiggy
Early music: modern methods
Date Joined Jun 2006
Total Posts : 12628
| Posted 4/30/2014 12:13 PM (GMT -6) | | E*L*B* said...
the guy had never heard of the raft of problems I was experiencing: crashing every half hour, random music being deleted and then re-pasted in random other parts of the score, inability to work with arrow keys. And the biggest, hugest problem: auto save does not work. I had it set to save every minute (because it kept crashing) I just worked on a complex piece for three hours. Crash. NOTHING WAS SAVED. Even the saves I did manually every time I remembered were not registered.
There are problems with 2014, certainly. But these don't sound like them. Although Finale's auto-save has long been flaky, and I prefer not to rely on it.
However, Manual saves not working? That sounds more like catastrophic disk failure, frankly. Or PEBCAK.
(Ooh, forum fans: if you quote his text, you get to see what he really wrote instead of "xxxx"!! The lameness filter doesn't extend to quoting.)
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Charles Lawrence
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Date Joined Dec 2009
Total Posts : 3638
| Posted 4/30/2014 5:35 PM (GMT -6) | |
Wiggy said...
if you quote his text, you get to see what he really wrote instead of "xxxx"!! It must have been cleaned up, but it doesn't take much to imagine what it was.
The fact that this user joined the forum over 10 years ago and in the mean time has only made 8 posts tells me he must not really be much of a Finale user or shows an enormous lack of curiosity.
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